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SRAM eTap awaiting certification for use in South Africa

By Press Office · 39 comments

Cape Cycle Systems (Cape Town) is the Sole Authorized importer of SRAM Components into the South African cycling aftermarket industry.

South Africa has been earmarked by SRAM International as an approved country to receive the SRAM eTap product range.

However due to the nature of the product, SRAM eTap needs to be awarded Certification for use in SA by the relevant South African Government Body.

Such application has been made by SRAM but as yet the Certification has not been awarded.

What this means is that it is currently UNLAWFUL to use SRAM eTap in South Africa irrespective of its source. We will advise when this changes!

Cape Cycle Systems is therefore in NO position to entertain any supply, service or warranty requests or claims that any individual or organization may make to us. Such persons or parties will be directed back to their source of SRAM eTap procurement.

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Shebeen

Jul 5, 2016, 2:34 PM

I note they say unlawful, not illegal.

 

It's a 2.4GHz signal, which is in the unlicenced band. The importers will still need to get it approved, even though it's just like any other ant+/bluetooth device out there.

 

I see the awkward position they sit in, but it's just a bit of paperwork. I stand to be corrected here, but it's just like every new cellphone model needs to get it's approval before an icasa sticker can go on it. so this is the same as getting an iPhone from out the country before it's been released here. definitely not a health issue before anyone goes down that road.

Clinton H

Jul 5, 2016, 5:27 PM

Cape Cycle were well aware this product was on its was way to SA for ages, even years . It sounds like they only applied for the necessary documents or permission at the last second . Not only are they almost 2 years late compared to leading brands E Tap has been on OEM factory built bikes in SA for 6 moths already . Now this BS statement !!!

So now what ? park your bike sir ,you can't use those gears in S A

Iwan Kemp

Jul 5, 2016, 6:12 PM

Cape Cycle were well aware this product was on its was way to SA for ages, even years . It sounds like they only applied for the necessary documents or permission at the last second . Not only are they almost 2 years late compared to leading brands E Tap has been on OEM factory built bikes in SA for 6 moths already . Now this BS statement !!! So now what ? park your bike sir ,you can't use those gears in S A

 

 

SRAM HQ does the paperwork and application as far as I know - not Cape Cycle Systems. In fact, reading the statement again:

 

"Such application has been made by SRAM but as yet the Certification has not been awarded."

 

Honest question: How does this affect you, Clinton? Do you have eTap on a bike or bought a groupset you now can't use?

Clinton H

Jul 5, 2016, 6:37 PM

I've pre ordered it along wilth Eagle but still excuse after excuse . It kinda sux when your excited about something and all you get is more long winded story's .

V12man

Jul 5, 2016, 6:51 PM

I've pre ordered it along wilth Eagle but still excuse after excuse . It kinda sux when your excited about something and all you get is more long winded story's .

Bike24.com - Eagle mostly in stock too - just waiting for gripshifters...
Clinton H

Jul 5, 2016, 6:58 PM

Also no cassettes , at least not in SA yet

V12man

Jul 5, 2016, 7:46 PM

Also no cassettes , at least not in SA yet

my wishlist said they had x01 cassettes this morning
Christian van Zyl

Jul 5, 2016, 8:11 PM

SRAM HQ does the paperwork and application as far as I know - not Cape Cycle Systems. In fact, reading the statement again:

 

"Such application has been made by SRAM but as yet the Certification has not been awarded."

 

Honest question: How does this affect you, Clinton? Do you have eTap on a bike or bought a groupset you now can't use?

ICASA submissions must be made by a company registered in South Africa. All Bluetooth products must carry this certification and 2.4GHz is not unique. It is quite some paperwork and you have to submit certain design drawings... Most companies do not like this. With ICASA currently on strike applications are taking much longer... Unfortunately we have to deal with them much more than we want to. 

madbradd

Jul 5, 2016, 8:36 PM

I thought the ISM band was completely unlicensed, which is what made Bluetooth and WiFi so awesome.

FCH

Jul 5, 2016, 9:35 PM

So grateful that I can just get on my bike and peddle; measuring metrics and bla bla believing it will make a semi-pro one day is non applicable.

Good lord, pretty soon you will need to get your bike fica registered with all the transmitters on these bikes.

Tristand

Jul 6, 2016, 5:29 AM

There are still restrictions within the ISM band for instance maximum permissible transmitter power. Naturally strict frequency band adherence needs to proven as well.

madbradd

Jul 6, 2016, 5:37 AM

There are still restrictions within the ISM band for instance maximum permissible transmitter power. Naturally strict frequency band adherence needs to proven as well.

 

Ok so basically just a check that you are actually in the ISM band as per your claims. Makes sense but I don't believe for a second that every bluetooth / wifi product I've seen on sale has been specifically approved by ICASA. Mainly because there are lots of products and ICASA isn't particularly efficient.

Nick

Jul 6, 2016, 5:40 AM

Anyone know if ICASA would be a bit more sticky about eTap using AIREA and not an existing protocol they're familiar with?

madbradd

Jul 6, 2016, 5:50 AM

Anyone know if ICASA would be a bit more sticky about eTap using AIREA and not an existing protocol they're familiar with?

 

Could well be that. And then it makes sense.

 

Edit: Should I really be assuming that what they do makes sense?

Tristand

Jul 6, 2016, 5:52 AM

Ok so basically just a check that you are actually in the ISM band as per your claims. Makes sense but I don't believe for a second that every bluetooth / wifi product I've seen on sale has been specifically approved by ICASA. Mainly because there are lots of products and ICASA isn't particularly efficient.

In principal every product is supposed to be tested. In practice the actual RF module in the device is often "off the shelf" so only that module needs certification. That scenereo is common with GSM chipsets used in 3g cards, routers and security products.

 

All consumer electronics also require an EMC certificate to prove that they don't cause electeonic interference. But that is a lot less strict.

 

As you pointed out, it is unlikely the flee market bluetooth gadgets have their certificates. They are not technically legal but nobody is going to chase them down either.

 

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Nick

Jul 6, 2016, 5:52 AM

Could well be that. And then it makes sense.

 

Edit: Should I really be assuming that what they do makes sense?

 

Haha, we're dealing with the hypothetical here.

Shebeen

Jul 6, 2016, 7:11 AM

There are still restrictions within the ISM band for instance maximum permissible transmitter power. Naturally strict frequency band adherence needs to proven as well.

I had a look at the icasa website and got nowhere quickly.

I think the threshold is 100mW, which is quite a big transmitter, no way these little things are over that.

 

In looking at the SRAM site, there is very little info on the actual comms protocol being used. Airea could even be their own coding system which uses something off the shelf like zigbee for the actual RF transmissions. I see very little point in them developing their own tx hardware when you can't really improve it.

 

My RF design knowledge has been parked in the design lab I left about 10 years ago, so would really love someone to throw more light on this.

Skinnyone

Jul 6, 2016, 8:16 AM

Yes ICASA needs to approve it to make sure that the TX doesn't transmit more than the claimed values - in case you ride past parliament and accidentally jam all the signals there :ph34r:  :mellow: and from what I have read (stand to be corrected) they need a operating unit in their offices to test and then approve so if Cape Cycles don't have this yet then this is where the hiccup may be. Like has been mentioned, they may also want documents of the design etc which SRAM may not like as it opens doors for competitors to spy etc...

 

OR Cape Cycles may just pay a bribe and get the stuff approved double quick... :ph34r:

Pure Savage

Jul 6, 2016, 8:21 AM

All this hassle and we have not even got to the fact you cannot shift rear and front mech at the same time :P

JA-Q001

Jul 6, 2016, 8:25 AM

Well, maybe its bottlenecks like this that makes Shimano not want to go wireless?

madbradd

Jul 6, 2016, 8:40 AM

Well, maybe its bottlenecks like this that makes Shimano not want to go wireless?

 

I'm not sure Shimano base their tech on what ICASA are/aren't doing.

 

I've never heard of this type of issue on any other "open" platform like ANT+, Bluetooth etc. I really believe that this is a case of someone having declared something that they didn't really have to resulting in a bunch of confused people.

JA-Q001

Jul 6, 2016, 8:44 AM

I'm not sure Shimano base their tech on what ICASA are/aren't doing.

 

I've never heard of this type of issue on any other "open" platform like ANT+, Bluetooth etc. I really believe that this is a case of someone having declared something that they didn't really have to resulting in a bunch of confused people.

But, if it really does require a lot of red tape to get your product introduced into a country (not just SA), then eliminating it is better for both the company and end user.

Skinnyone

Jul 6, 2016, 9:17 AM

I'm not sure Shimano base their tech on what ICASA are/aren't doing.

 

I've never heard of this type of issue on any other "open" platform like ANT+, Bluetooth etc. I really believe that this is a case of someone having declared something that they didn't really have to resulting in a bunch of confused people.

In theory (and it doesn't always happen because of the red tape) ANY unit that transmits a radio frequency be it 2.4Ghz - (Hobby/Wifi/most others inc ANT+), 35MHz (Hobby), 27MHz (hobby-ground based, amateur radio), ANT+ or BLE MUST be approved by ICASA...

Rocket-Boy

Jul 6, 2016, 9:59 AM

I had a look at the icasa website and got nowhere quickly.

I think the threshold is 100mW, which is quite a big transmitter, no way these little things are over that.

 

In looking at the SRAM site, there is very little info on the actual comms protocol being used. Airea could even be their own coding system which uses something off the shelf like zigbee for the actual RF transmissions. I see very little point in them developing their own tx hardware when you can't really improve it.

 

My RF design knowledge has been parked in the design lab I left about 10 years ago, so would really love someone to throw more light on this.

Ahh zigbee, there is a term I have not seen for a while. Used it to wirelessly link RFID readers together a while back.

But I fully agree, no point in developing your own comms stack if there is stuff available that you can just add an authentication layer to.

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