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First Look: Pyga Stage MX and Plus Five chain line concept

By Nick · 74 comments

The Pyga Stage MX is the company’s entry into the world of full carbon 29er cross-country / marathon bikes. The Stage MX, though, challenges conventional frame design and cross-country / marathon oriented geometry. Starting with a clean slate they haven’t gone for any new crazy suspension designs. Instead sticking to their tried and tested platform with some slight kinematic changes to better suit race performance. What they have done is focus on the fundamentals of frame design. The result? Some seemingly subtle, yet potentially revolutionary tweaks.

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Meet the Pyga Stage MX, a full carbon dual suspension 29er marathon bike.

Slack ‘n Long (or Low)

The Stage MX (Marathon Cross Country) will be Pyga’s first bike to feature the new SNL (slack ‘n low or slack ‘n long, depending on whether you’re speaking to Pat or Mark). This means a slackish head angle (68.5° on a 120mm fork and 69.5° on a 100m fork), longer reach and a shorter stem, to make it feel more like a trail bike on technical terrain. Pyga reassure us that the bike still maintains the overall efficiency and power transfer needed for a marathon bike.

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Pyga liken many top marathon bikes ridden by everyday riders to F1 cars: designed for top professionals and can be more than a handful to pilot, when a Lamborghini would be better suited for most people. The Stage MX is said to be stable in corners, grounded at high speed, yet still nimble and light in steering.

“Plus Five” rear end offset to improve chain angle on 1×11

The biggest deviation from conventional design is what Pyga are calling Plus Five. A re-engineering of the rear end to correct what they believe is a huge flaw in bikes, the chainline offset. What they have done is offset the whole rear end of the Stage MX by 5mm on the drive side and in doing so reducing the chainline offset from 49mm to 44mm.

Why the change? Patrick Morewood explained that when the 49mm chainline offset was introduced mountain bikes were using 8 speed cassettes. The measurements then meant that the chainline was centred but as 9, 10 and 11 speed cassettes were introduced the centre chainline has shifted. The result on an 11 speed drivetrain with a 49mm offset is that the centre chainline is out by 2 gears.

pyga_stage_mx_chainline.jpgSee how the chain is perfectly aligned with the front chainring when in the centre – 6th gear. Photo: Patrick Morewood
Video showing the the chain line across all the gears on a pre-production Stage MX. Video: Patrick Morewood

What are the advantages of the Plus Five chainline offset?

Better shifting: The centred chainline and less harsh chain angles improve shifting. Poor shifting is often blamed on the drive train manufacturers, when Pyga feel that as frame designers and engineers they should take responsibility by improving the frame design.

Pyga Stage MX 10.jpgPatrick Morewood showing of the smooth shifting.

Less component wear: They were also concerned about excessive wear when riding on the 11th gear (the “granny”) on a 1×11 system. When riding the Stage MX in your 11th gear the chainline is equivalent to being in your 9th gear on other bikes sporting a 49mm chainline. This significantly decreases the angle at which the chain engages the front ring in the top gear.

Improved rear wheel strength: Plus Five also means that the rear wheel is no longer dished, with spoke length being equal on either side of the wheel leading to improved wheel strength.

No need to worry about a new standard, Pyga have emphasised that Plus Five is not a new standard, as all they have changed is their frames. The hubs, axle width and wheels (aside from a change to the dishing) all remain unchanged.

Our short road ride

In our brief test ride around the dark streets of Woodstock, shifting did feel improved across the full width of the cassette and the difference in chainline when in 42T was visible. The fit of the large sized frame was good with the short stem and wide bars installed.

Specifications, that we have learnt so far:

Chain stay length: 440mm

Head angle: 69.5° with a 100m fork; 68.5° with a 120mm fork

12x142mm Rear Axle

Internal routing including adjustable seatpost routing

Mounting for two bottle cages.

The bike is approved for forks up to 130mm travel.

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The Stage MX comes with the luxury of space for two bottle cage mounts.

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The men responsible for bringing this bike to life, Patrick Morewood, Mark Hopkins, and Cliff Beckett.

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Comments

GoLefty!!

Apr 17, 2015, 12:04 PM

Plus 5 is the same conceptually as Cannondale offset of 6mm. Great idea but you can't patent something that was done before you. Admittedly the new scalpel has not been launched yet so this is the first full susser with an offset rear triangle.

 

Now the the important thing is when and how much?

awesme

Apr 17, 2015, 12:09 PM

The when... not to long, the how much, don't ask, just do ;)
I know both answers but not sure I can share.

 

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Plus 5 is the same conceptually as Cannondale offset of 6mm. Great idea but you can't patent something that was done before you. Admittedly the new scalpel has not been launched yet so this is the first full susser with an offset rear triangle. Now the the important thing is when and how much?

Edgar

Apr 17, 2015, 12:21 PM

Frameset should retail around 35k, so in the same range as the Swift. 

 

Might be time to upgrade the Spaz to real bike.

rouxtjie

Apr 17, 2015, 12:28 PM

mooi bly maar mooi....demmit. I can feel an itch starting that will cost me plenty.

Ryanpmb

Apr 17, 2015, 12:29 PM

mooi bly maar mooi....demmit. I can feel an itch starting that will cost me plenty.

 

He's ALIVE!  :eek:

rouxtjie

Apr 17, 2015, 12:31 PM

He's ALIVE!  :eek:

Its like heroine bud, you never quit, you just go on a holiday...

Ryanpmb

Apr 17, 2015, 12:32 PM

Its like heroine bud, you never quit, you just go on a holiday...

 

Nothing wrong with coming out of hibernation to this thread...

Squier

Apr 17, 2015, 12:41 PM

Awesome looking bike! I want!

 

It's my birthday in a couple of weeks. Better send this link ot the wife...

Allrounder

Apr 17, 2015, 1:15 PM

Nice I want one

udxcob

Apr 17, 2015, 1:30 PM

When are these bikes available?

Stoffies1

Apr 17, 2015, 2:47 PM

You have that amazing fork and then go an install XO groupo on the bike? Why....

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Apr 17, 2015, 2:49 PM

You have that amazing fork and then go an install XO groupo on the bike? Why....

Wouldn't call it amazing, myself. Twice the price of the SID, not enough torsional rigidity to shake a stick at... meh. Nah. Rather stick a reba or revelation on there

Stoffies1

Apr 17, 2015, 2:53 PM

Wouldn't call it amazing, myself. Twice the price of the SID, not enough torsional rigidity to shake a stick at... meh. Nah. Rather stick a reba or revelation on there

Having said that...Ask all the mechanics at the Epic & they will tell you how good that shock is!! flawless.... just saying....

Brian Fantana

Apr 17, 2015, 3:18 PM

Having said that...Ask all the mechanics at the Epic & they will tell you how good that shock is!! flawless.... just saying....

The reviews are not that flawless:

 

http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/components/forks-suspension/product/review-rockshox-rs-1-49331/

gummibear

Apr 17, 2015, 3:24 PM

Colours look great[emoji106][emoji106]

madbradd

Apr 17, 2015, 4:00 PM

How can they say that the wheel is no longer dished, and in the next sentence say they're not creating a new standard?

Nick

Apr 17, 2015, 4:18 PM

Don't read too much into the components, this is still a test bike. I neglected to ask if they'd offer a full build kit but going by Pyga's current business model, buyers will likely be speccing their own frames.

SCD

Apr 17, 2015, 4:21 PM

How can they say that the wheel is no longer dished, and in the next sentence say they're not creating a new standard?

I was just thinking about this. So you will have to build a rear wheel specific to his frame... pretty much unique if you ask me.

 

I am actually running a spacer between my crank and my N/W chain ring to move the chain line closer to the 42 cog on my 1x10 setup... didn't know that a little chain line tweak qualifies for so much glory :)

SCD

Apr 17, 2015, 4:23 PM

Anyway, awesome bike and perfect for the Talas 90-120 that I am running on my Element at the moment. Unfortunately the price point is moving it far away....

 

edit: typo

GoLefty!!

Apr 17, 2015, 4:41 PM

How can they say that the wheel is no longer dished, and in the next sentence say they're not creating a new standard?

 

 

I think they mean that they're not requiring any proprietary parts to achieve this.

You can take a bog std 142x12 rear hub and have it built to the required dish.

 

it not new. Cannondale did this last year with their F-Si 29 Hardtail and the new Scalpel is going the same way. Cannondale use a 6mm offset which I believe they patented so PYGA can't use 6mm. They opted for 5mm and using the gearing aspect as the reason or change which Is pretty smart way of getting around what Cannondale has done.

Slowbee

Apr 17, 2015, 5:14 PM

would 650b wheels on this bike look out of place ?

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Apr 17, 2015, 5:19 PM

would 650b wheels on this bike look out of place ?

It'd reduce the height of the bb by approx 0.7 inches depending on the tyres used. Given that it's already low, I wouldn't do it. If you're looking at a pyga for 650b then I'd go for the 120/650b. it's not carbon though.

Slowbee

Apr 17, 2015, 5:26 PM

who needs carbon anyway ?

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Apr 17, 2015, 5:28 PM

who needs carbon anyway ?

I'd like it but it's not a necessity.

 

But this bike - she is niiiiiiice

heini

Apr 17, 2015, 6:27 PM

But it's plastic!!!!!!!

 

But yes it will look niiiice next to my 110 and 120!

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