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First Look: Pyga Stage MX and Plus Five chain line concept

By Nick · 74 comments

The Pyga Stage MX is the company’s entry into the world of full carbon 29er cross-country / marathon bikes. The Stage MX, though, challenges conventional frame design and cross-country / marathon oriented geometry. Starting with a clean slate they haven’t gone for any new crazy suspension designs. Instead sticking to their tried and tested platform with some slight kinematic changes to better suit race performance. What they have done is focus on the fundamentals of frame design. The result? Some seemingly subtle, yet potentially revolutionary tweaks.

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Meet the Pyga Stage MX, a full carbon dual suspension 29er marathon bike.

Slack ‘n Long (or Low)

The Stage MX (Marathon Cross Country) will be Pyga’s first bike to feature the new SNL (slack ‘n low or slack ‘n long, depending on whether you’re speaking to Pat or Mark). This means a slackish head angle (68.5° on a 120mm fork and 69.5° on a 100m fork), longer reach and a shorter stem, to make it feel more like a trail bike on technical terrain. Pyga reassure us that the bike still maintains the overall efficiency and power transfer needed for a marathon bike.

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Pyga liken many top marathon bikes ridden by everyday riders to F1 cars: designed for top professionals and can be more than a handful to pilot, when a Lamborghini would be better suited for most people. The Stage MX is said to be stable in corners, grounded at high speed, yet still nimble and light in steering.

“Plus Five” rear end offset to improve chain angle on 1×11

The biggest deviation from conventional design is what Pyga are calling Plus Five. A re-engineering of the rear end to correct what they believe is a huge flaw in bikes, the chainline offset. What they have done is offset the whole rear end of the Stage MX by 5mm on the drive side and in doing so reducing the chainline offset from 49mm to 44mm.

Why the change? Patrick Morewood explained that when the 49mm chainline offset was introduced mountain bikes were using 8 speed cassettes. The measurements then meant that the chainline was centred but as 9, 10 and 11 speed cassettes were introduced the centre chainline has shifted. The result on an 11 speed drivetrain with a 49mm offset is that the centre chainline is out by 2 gears.

pyga_stage_mx_chainline.jpgSee how the chain is perfectly aligned with the front chainring when in the centre – 6th gear. Photo: Patrick Morewood
Video showing the the chain line across all the gears on a pre-production Stage MX. Video: Patrick Morewood

What are the advantages of the Plus Five chainline offset?

Better shifting: The centred chainline and less harsh chain angles improve shifting. Poor shifting is often blamed on the drive train manufacturers, when Pyga feel that as frame designers and engineers they should take responsibility by improving the frame design.

Pyga Stage MX 10.jpgPatrick Morewood showing of the smooth shifting.

Less component wear: They were also concerned about excessive wear when riding on the 11th gear (the “granny”) on a 1×11 system. When riding the Stage MX in your 11th gear the chainline is equivalent to being in your 9th gear on other bikes sporting a 49mm chainline. This significantly decreases the angle at which the chain engages the front ring in the top gear.

Improved rear wheel strength: Plus Five also means that the rear wheel is no longer dished, with spoke length being equal on either side of the wheel leading to improved wheel strength.

No need to worry about a new standard, Pyga have emphasised that Plus Five is not a new standard, as all they have changed is their frames. The hubs, axle width and wheels (aside from a change to the dishing) all remain unchanged.

Our short road ride

In our brief test ride around the dark streets of Woodstock, shifting did feel improved across the full width of the cassette and the difference in chainline when in 42T was visible. The fit of the large sized frame was good with the short stem and wide bars installed.

Specifications, that we have learnt so far:

Chain stay length: 440mm

Head angle: 69.5° with a 100m fork; 68.5° with a 120mm fork

12x142mm Rear Axle

Internal routing including adjustable seatpost routing

Mounting for two bottle cages.

The bike is approved for forks up to 130mm travel.

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The Stage MX comes with the luxury of space for two bottle cage mounts.

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The men responsible for bringing this bike to life, Patrick Morewood, Mark Hopkins, and Cliff Beckett.

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Comments

Iwan Kemp

Apr 17, 2015, 10:22 AM

Boom! It's a beaut.

NotSoBigBen

Apr 17, 2015, 10:26 AM

Very cool , I must say in that first pic it looks like it must be setup for Mr. Cool-harvey himself .....

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Apr 17, 2015, 10:32 AM

I like that! A lot!

 

Very novel way of positioning the 2nd bottle...

LazyTrailRider

Apr 17, 2015, 10:35 AM

This is a very, very progressive setup. Riding a bike with a 71deg HA is just plain silly for the majority of our country's weekend marathon warriors.

 

If I wasn't moving to the dark side in the next couple of weeks I'd be seriously tempted to get an all-black Pascoe next. Pyga just simply makes the best looking bikes around at the moment...

pellieg

Apr 17, 2015, 10:36 AM

I want !!!

Cav'

Apr 17, 2015, 10:36 AM

Looks good

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Apr 17, 2015, 10:49 AM

This is a very, very progressive setup. Riding a bike with a 71deg HA is just plain silly for the majority of our country's weekend marathon warriors.

 

If I wasn't moving to the dark side in the next couple of weeks I'd be seriously tempted to get an all-black Pascoe next. Pyga just simply makes the best looking bikes around at the moment...

What we were talking about the other day? That 160 looks seriously, seriously good.

Cav'

Apr 17, 2015, 10:50 AM

A bit odd bottle cage placement though.

Ryanpmb

Apr 17, 2015, 10:52 AM

Excellent. Well done to Pat, Mark & Cliff on bringing a sensible marathon bike to the market. I'm sure we'll see many many of these on the trails between jhb and (well) the sea...

flyluis

Apr 17, 2015, 10:52 AM

I'm sooooo gonna get one!!!

deonkretch

Apr 17, 2015, 10:54 AM

First bike that I would consider to replace my trusty Tallboy... how much for one of these babies?

Ryanpmb

Apr 17, 2015, 10:54 AM

A bit odd bottle cage placement though.

Actually quite clever use of the available space given what the bikes are intended for. Riders are going to want maximum bottle carrying capacity.

 

I can't help wonder if the Spez cages were used on purpose  :ph34r:  :whistling: ...

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Apr 17, 2015, 10:55 AM

First bike that I would consider to replace my trusty Tallboy... how much for one of these babies?

I would imagine a frame only price of about 30 to 35... Ryan?

 

That's with a shock tho

LazyTrailRider

Apr 17, 2015, 10:57 AM

What we were talking about the other day? That 160 looks seriously, seriously good.

 

Yip, I'm getting my baby around the beginning of May.

 

The Pyga 160 looks awesome, but I would not mind a black 140 either...

Cav'

Apr 17, 2015, 10:57 AM

 

 

I can't help wonder if the Spez cages were used  :ph34r:  :whistling: ...

They were on special...

Hairy

Apr 17, 2015, 10:57 AM

makes me think of that "other" chap on the Hubs Sukuma Colour scheme ... and it works, lovely looking bike

Matchstix

Apr 17, 2015, 11:04 AM

Wonder what the weight of the frame will be. . .

Frosty

Apr 17, 2015, 11:13 AM

I notice the comment about an improved, straighter, chain line.

 

I'm not an expert on this subject but surely a spacer would partially resolve this? 
The freehub body is the same size for 8/9/10 speed and the cassette has thinner rings on 10 vs 8 & 9.

Or, does adding a spacer push the crank and pedal further right compared to the non-drive side and therefore affect something else I have no idea about.

 

#justasking

LazyTrailRider

Apr 17, 2015, 11:28 AM

Or, does adding a spacer push the crank and pedal further right compared to the non-drive side and therefore affect something else I have no idea about.

 

#justasking

 

The problem is not right, it's left. On most setups, the chainring is too far right.

 

Edit: Oops, said "crank" instead of "chainring".

Frosty

Apr 17, 2015, 11:38 AM

The problem is not right, it's left. On most setups, the chainring is too far right.

 

Edit: Oops, said "crank" instead of "chainring".

You're right - I misread the chainline.

49mm to 44mm

Brian Fantana

Apr 17, 2015, 11:38 AM

This is a great looking bike, and the fact that it can take up to 130mm travel fork makes it very versatile as well.

 

The "two bottles in front triangle" is more important to marathon riders than what most manufacturers think, and it will definitely boost the sales of this model. Scott, Momsen and the other popular marathon brands will have to catch up in this department.

 

Now we just need to wait for the armchair experts to say that this bike is a Niner copy, it is Friday after all.

cadenceblur

Apr 17, 2015, 11:51 AM

saw one in the flesh earlier today - looks sweet I must say.

Geometry sounds similar to the 110?

Ryanpmb

Apr 17, 2015, 11:59 AM

This is a great looking bike, and the fact that it can take up to 130mm travel fork makes it very versatile as well.

 

The "two bottles in front triangle" is more important to marathon riders than what most manufacturers think, and it will definitely boost the sales of this model. Scott, Momsen and the other popular marathon brands will have to catch up in this department.

 

Now we just need to wait for the armchair experts to say that this bike is a Niner copy, it is Friday after all.

 

...You didn't...!  ^_^  ;)

Johny Bravo

Apr 17, 2015, 12:04 PM

Must say, stunning machine. I would buy one.

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