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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

Warren_G

Mar 7, 2017, 2:26 PM

I think you will find lots of people who sit in this slot. This means we will see lots of people withdifficult to substantiate yet emotive arguements for the foreseeable future.

 

Fun times we are in for.

I'm in this slot, it's fantastic tech but able bodied people should be able to make it up and down on their own steam. It just feels like cheating.

Paul Ruinaard

Mar 7, 2017, 2:54 PM

For me, whatever makes you happy is cool. Clearly they are addressing an area of the market that makes folks part with big cash to have one and seems to be a segmant we dont know about.

 

Like having your wife enjoy a ride with the boys or having a clydesdale doing 130km at 30 kmh averages, which he could never do. Or an old bullet able to stay with the group and his mates when he isn't that strong or fit anymore. Or enjoy the trails he never could quite get up to the top on.

 

Whats with all this judgemental stuff - Its got two wheels and pedals....

 

Its like the MTB and Road thing - you are all cyclists.

 

FWIW, i am near Cedar Square Concept Store and they had three in the window so asked Sean if he is selling lots of them and he reckons they are in huge demand. Cant get enough. 

 

Who is willing to, at the outset of the ride, be the knob who tells the e-bike rider - "sorry you can't ride with us cause you on an e-bike"? Or "You're cheating"?

 

Like in the days of the first MTB all the puritans who tried to get them banned. That worked really well, didnt it?

 

Its making people happy and getting folks on to bikes and outside in to the outdoors and experiencing what we all love.

 

Its also pretty much the future, the technology is going to get better and they will become part of the landscape of cycling.

 

Dont be luddites

RocknRolla

Mar 7, 2017, 3:32 PM

I was prejudiced against E-bikes on the trails, till I met a gentleman, who has serious health issues on the Berg'nBush. He was riding an E-bike. He started in my batch (by no friggen means in contention for a podium, robbing no-one-that-cares of a GC position.)

 

So, for a person, with limited lifespan, facing serious health issues to be able to share in the joy that this sport is supposed to be, to get out on the trails hand have some fun, share in the banter and enjoy the great vista's we experience...I have no issue with that.

 

From a marketing perspective, this makes fark-all sense, who would want to make and sell 10 E-bikes a year, for the odd impaired person?

 

Other than the impairment factor I see no other valid reason for E-bikes to be out on the trails. Do I hate them? Probably not, unless it increases doucchery in equal amounts the battery assists you to get up the hill.

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Mar 7, 2017, 4:29 PM

 

Other than the impairment factor I see no other valid reason for E-bikes to be out on the trails. Do I hate them? Probably not, unless it increases doucchery in equal amounts the battery assists you to get up the hill.

For me, they hold a very large appeal. But they have to get better looking (apart from the Levo) before I'd seriously consider one if I were going to buy a new bike. 

 

If Giant had a Reign E, but implemented like the Levo instead of that bloody awful battery that the current Full-E has. 

 

The appeal for me is like others have said - smash out multiple laps with the same effort that it takes me to do one at my current fitness level, so I can focus more on the bits I like - the downs. Yes, increased fitness will help with this as well, but the fact is that I'll always be able to do more laps on an e-bike than I would be able to on a normal bike. That, to me, is awesome. 

(Deon)

Mar 7, 2017, 4:35 PM

E-Bikes definitely do not belong on mountain trails.  It has been hard enough for mountain bikers to get access to some trails without adding a motorised option to the objectors arsenal.

 

If you cannot get up and down the hills under your own steam then stay off the trails. Don't spoil the access for those who can.

 

If strava if your only objection to an e-bike on the trails then you really are not seeing the bigger picture.

SANParks so far has no problem with them. Shock, I know...

 

In fact if it allows people with disabilities, health related issues etc to enjoy the outdoors, they welcome them.

 

Strava etc.. no comment. Pffft, strava.

 

Edit: Oh crap! Did this post serjaaasly go to page 13 - since yesterday?!

(Deon)

Mar 7, 2017, 4:45 PM

Ok I will bite.

 

E-Bikes can be overridden, and they do get modified. A rider told me the other day he has his spaz setup to do 45km/h, and it was a very simple software thing to do. This scares me. The rider did note he is not a chop and does not ride up behind people and "force" them to move over.

 

Then I met a guy on a supposed e-bike (It has a throttle option as part of the build) who has it clocking 75km/h, the bike weighs in at 48kgs. He was on the cycle lane, and his business partner had just come past in the road, taking up a whole lane, not wearing a helmet and holding up cars on a dangerous and quick section of road. Let's call him Mr Chop. 

 

Now the guy I was chatting to noted that they have ridden just about most of the popular trails in the greater CT region with these things (These things = to motorbikes I say, due to having a throttle) ...... long conversation later, him being very polite following my jibes at his motorbike, he decides he has to roll. This freaking thing accelerated like no one business.... I recon it could give many motorbikes a go over a short  / medium distance.

 

The last bike I am describing should most certainly not be allowed on the trails, nor on the cycle lanes!

Ok, then you get this.

 

If the bike brands allow this type of mod, even if they make it available through software/ports etc then they really are going to kill the idea even before it's taken hold. 

 

How foolish and short sighted. For what, bragging rights?

 

No throttles.

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Mar 7, 2017, 4:57 PM

Ok, then you get this.

 

If the bike brands allow this type of mod, even if they make it available through software/ports etc then they really are going to kill the idea even before it's taken hold. 

 

How foolish and short sighted. For what, bragging rights?

 

No throttles.

I don't think they allow it at all. I think it's a workaround within the controller itself where you spoof it to send more current to the motor and remove the limiter. Could be wrong, but htat's what I suspect is happening. Not that they condone it, per se. 

 

Like putting a different map on your ECU, essentially. 

KingTJ

Mar 7, 2017, 5:35 PM

the simple answer is  : NO !! I can explain more, but i think enough people on this forum have said why.

LazyTrailRider

Mar 7, 2017, 5:54 PM

I was prejudiced against E-bikes on the trails, till I met a gentleman, who has serious health issues on the Berg'nBush. He was riding an E-bike. He started in my batch (by no friggen means in contention for a podium, robbing no-one-that-cares of a GC position.)

 

So, for a person, with limited lifespan, facing serious health issues to be able to share in the joy that this sport is supposed to be, to get out on the trails hand have some fun, share in the banter and enjoy the great vista's we experience...I have no issue with that.

 

My wife has Type 1 Diabetes. On an average day, her blood glucose levels fluctuate between 2.0 and 20.0. For context, most charts rate below 4.0 and above 14.0 in the "seek immediate medical attention" category. She's in those zones several times a week. She can't excercise without taking emergency glucose supplies with, so we travel with Glucose gel sachets and sweets of all types at all times. She also happens to really enjoy cycling, but riding for longer than 30 minutes without stopping to check and top up sugar levels is not easy. As a result, getting fit to a level which most of us around here see as "in shape" is damn near impossible. But, we still try. We ride together as often as we can, we try to find singletrack with as little climbing as possible, and we generally really enjoy ourselves out on the trail, savouring berms and bumps and other fun trail obstacles. She loves it!

 

At the moment, she rides a pretty nice machine (Specialized Rumor Expert with X01, Pike, dropper etc), but guess what? I'd get her a Levo in a heartbeat if my budget allowed it. Enabling her to gain enough vertical to enjoy more challenging singletrack would put massive smiles on both our faces. Do I care whether luddites wouldn't want us on the trails? Not even close.

FCH

Mar 7, 2017, 7:50 PM

Fake news.

Each to his own, more people outside the better for us all.

 

the simple answer is  : NO !! I can explain more, but i think enough people on this forum have said why.

carbon29er

Mar 8, 2017, 4:07 AM

I encourage all the e-MTB naysayer to put their prejudices aside and make an effort to find and test ride an e-MTB. Please. Once you've done that, come back to this thread and provide feedback.

It is irrelevant whether or not I ride one. That is not the debate. The debate is around access to the same areas motorbikes are banned but bicycles are allowed.

 

Oh, and the stealing of strava KOMs.

Paul Ruinaard

Mar 8, 2017, 5:45 AM

Hmm - this is becoming very judgmental.

 

I pedal, so i am better than you because my activity is more pure than yours. You use a throttle so you are lesser than me. 

 

WTF

 

Your activity threatens me as it changes the paradigm I originally engaged on when i started cycling. Pay your dues. Dont come here with innovation and change. . You larger less fit or different people arent allowed in to my places - they are mine and i worked hard to get here so you need to pay your dues and suffer to be able to access them. Go away lesser beings. I am not happy with you being equal to me - i need to introduce a hierarchy.

 

What is all this crap?

 

 

 

 

 

 

LazyTrailRider

Mar 8, 2017, 5:53 AM

Hmm - this is becoming very judgmental.

 

I pedal, so i am better than you because my activity is more pure than yours. You use a throttle so you are lesser than me.

 

WTF

 

Your activity threatens me as it changes the paradigm I originally engaged on when i started cycling. Pay your dues. Dont come here with innovation and change. . You larger less fit or different people arent allowed in to my places - they are mine and i worked hard to get here so you need to pay your dues and suffer to be able to access them. Go away lesser beings. I am not happy with you being equal to me - i need to introduce a hierarchy.

 

What is all this crap?

Yup. Exactly.

Iwan Kemp

Mar 8, 2017, 6:03 AM

It is irrelevant whether or not I ride one. That is not the debate. The debate is around access to the same areas motorbikes are banned but bicycles are allowed.

 

Oh, and the stealing of strava KOMs.

 

There is a big difference between e-bikes on trails and motorbikes. As a motorbiker I would love access to more dirt and single track, but

 

- noisy as hell. There's NO way motorbikes will be able to ride some of the trails cyclists do just based on that

- they actually, genuinely do rip up trails

- it will cost a fortune in maintenance

- fire risk 

- will not be able to share trails with cyclists, runners, horses, hikers, etc

 

Not the same as an e-bike. 

NicoBoshoff

Mar 8, 2017, 6:23 AM

Gonna be pretty funny when one of those pull a Samsung on us and set Jonkershoek on fire (yeah yeah, I know, but still).

 

Anyways, do what you want.  I reserve the right to judge.  Part of being free.  Also wouldn't judge someone who genuinely has a medical reason for going this route.  Part of not being a dick.

Iwan Kemp

Mar 8, 2017, 6:27 AM

Gonna be pretty funny when one of those pull a Samsung on us and set Jonkershoek on fire (yeah yeah, I know, but still).

 

Anyways, do what you want.  I reserve the right to judge.  Part of being free.  Also wouldn't judge someone who genuinely has a medical reason for going this route.  Part of not being a ****.

 

They have been running around Jonkers long enough for that to have happened by now. I reckon the day it does happen it will be down to the chop riding it and not the bike. Chops be chops; can't blame gear for that. 

NicoBoshoff

Mar 8, 2017, 6:29 AM

They have been running around Jonkers long enough for that to have happened by now. I reckon the day it does happen it will be down to the chop riding it and not the bike. Chops be chops; can't blame gear for that. 

Yeah...https://dirtmountainbike.com/news/exploding-e-bike-battery-causes-half-million-euros-worth-damage.html

Mongoose!

Mar 8, 2017, 6:31 AM

Gonna be pretty funny when one of those pull a Samsung on us and set Jonkershoek on fire

 

 

 

Imagine a guy arriving at the trail with his Kuga and his Samsung battery powered e bike on the bike rack at rear :ph34r:

Iwan Kemp

Mar 8, 2017, 6:37 AM

 

Hehe, get the reference now. True, that can happen. Can also happen with a GPS, cellphone (did someone say Samsung?!) or light. Anything with a battery I suppose. 

 

Motorbike is a bit different though. No need for it to explode for it to set a forest on fire. And trust me, they RIP up trails. 

Paul Ruinaard

Mar 8, 2017, 6:41 AM

Imagine a guy arriving at the trail with his Kuga and his Samsung battery powered e bike on the bike rack at rear :ph34r:

Thing is all batteries are bombs. You take an 10 to 15 000 M/AH battery pack we use to run all the electrics on your MTB. 

 

Or a bike light battery - it will also easily start a nice forest fire and also be very difficult to put out.

 

So this isn't unique to ebikes.

 

FWIW: Do they pat you down at the entrance to the trail to check you arent riding with a Note 7.

 

Also the guys who are riding with cell phones running strava as their dashboard. Get that wet and short circuited. See the smoke and flames from that battery....

Mamil

Mar 8, 2017, 6:53 AM

Jislaaik - just taken a Scott E-bike for a spin at my LBS - oh my goodness.

 

If I took one of these on the trails I would be dead in a week. A good thing the barrier to entry is so high because if these were on the trails in any numbers I wonder how much damage the trail would take.

 

I want one. No I don't. But I do.

Eugene Oppelt

Mar 8, 2017, 6:57 AM

With this...

:drool:

Yes, they do belong on them mountains

 

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Mambat

Mar 8, 2017, 7:03 AM

Personally I would love one in my quiver...

 

I am reasonably fit and enjoy both the climbs and the downs.

 

I am fortunate to have bicycles catering for both.

 

But I see the Levo as my chair-lift... What is the difference between pedal assist

and what they have in Europe where you get wafted to the top seated in comfort to just bomb back down?

We dont have that luxury here so in my opinion this is the next best thing.

 

I watched some guys in Jonkers several weeks ago on Levo's and was very very envious

of the fun they were having................ these guys are A LOT fitter than myself but there was no ways they could have done the multiple runs they were able to fit in!

 

I'm all for them personally!

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Mar 8, 2017, 7:21 AM

Jislaaik - just taken a Scott E-bike for a spin at my LBS - oh my goodness.

 

If I took one of these on the trails I would be dead in a week. A good thing the barrier to entry is so high because if these were on the trails in any numbers I wonder how much damage the trail would take.

 

I want one. No I don't. But I do.

Did you take it for a spin on the trails, or just in the parking lot? VERY different when riding on a trail. And no, the scott / spaz / giant e-mtb's do not "rip up the trail". Yes, you can accelerate faster, but they do no more damage to the trails. 

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Mar 8, 2017, 7:22 AM

Personally I would love one in my quiver...

 

I am reasonably fit and enjoy both the climbs and the downs.

 

I am fortunate to have bicycles catering for both.

 

But I see the Levo as my chair-lift... What is the difference between pedal assist

and what they have in Europe where you get wafted to the top seated in comfort to just bomb back down?

We dont have that luxury here so in my opinion this is the next best thing.

 

I watched some guys in Jonkers several weeks ago on Levo's and was very very envious

of the fun they were having................ these guys are A LOT fitter than myself but there was no ways they could have done the multiple runs they were able to fit in!

 

I'm all for them personally!

Exactly my view. 

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