Anti-Doping Rule Violation: Tyronne White

C'mon ????????????

Let's not shift the blame and responsibility to the race doc'

Vat jou pak soos 'n man ☝????

I love how the FB post is all about the Dr...

 

How many other riders at Joberg2c were popped for steriods given by the Dr?

Some of the Dr posts were tongue in cheek. Obviously he cant be blamed. But the excuses these guys come up with are just mind blowing.

What bike does he ride?

Currently on a Pyga Stages, Patrick Morewood seems very supportive.

One might hope that is because it's was a real mistake, but history doesn't help the cause.

Currently on a Pyga Stages, Patrick Morewood seems very supportive.

 

One might hope that is because it's was a real mistake, but history doesn't help the cause.

So his sponsor takes the riders word above the outcome of the hearing? Very dangerous stance.

So his sponsor takes the riders word above the outcome of the hearing? Very dangerous stance.

They often do.

This might because they were privy to info that hasn't been made public yet and have real faith.

Or it could be a case of blindly backing your horse, like we saw with the guys who sent Emma letters to those who were critical of BS and KE.

Just ask Fands.

They often do.

 

This might because they were privy to info that hasn't been made public yet and have real faith.

This is the rumour. Would like to know why he got the discounted suspension.

Not much to say on the White case except that with his Da so involved in training he'd be on top of his game as regards any and all "supplements".

The cannabinoids amuse me as I know of only one guy who was done for aaptwak; motor biker named POTgieter if my recall is correct.

Cant seem to find the FB thread, link anyone?

Cant seem to find the FB thread, link anyone?

https://m.facebook.com/tywhite6?fref=ts

Not much to say on the White case except that with his Da so involved in training he'd be on top of his game as regards any and all "supplements".

 

The cannabinoids amuse me as I know of only one guy who was done for aaptwak; motor biker named POTgieter if my recall is correct.

Honestly for us weekend warrior types it makes no difference to OUR lives directly.

 

However, I sponsor a 18 year old who has real talent. The kid has amazing numbers, a will to win that is scary, a personality that any brand would want as an ambassador, and he can pedal a bike holy moly. So each time somebody does something that brings the sport into disrepute it directly affects him and his potential career. I can also see in his eyes how he loses faith in this sport that he loves. So we need to do something.

 

Unfortunately, it's not a easy problem to deal with. We have dopers, a very tainted sport and a flawed system that all contribute to a difficult situation for these kids that want to make a career out of cycling.

 

Couple this with a overly competitive SUB/VETS racing scene that isn't policed and it just gets worse.

 

I think we have reached a cross roads, where people are just gatvol and IF there are cases of unfortunate mistakes, our natural cynical nature blinds us to circumstance and the REAL fringe cases.

Awesome that you are sponsoring a kid  . I work in Nigeria so obviously do most of my riding there and ride with 5 Team Nigeria riders (3 females and 2 males) as well as a lot of youngsters from 11 to 19. The talent and commitment is phenomenal but they get hardly any help from the Government (the National riders) and 95% of all the riders, including the kids, are dirt poor. They don't dope to win races, they ride because they want to and enjoy it.Some of the bikes they ride are 30 years old. They don't have money for fancy bikes, fancy kit etc but they ride with smiles on their faces. Reminds me, as I was doing my morning ride here at home, a Cannondale kitted rider and his friend were coming the opposite way. I smiled and waved (as I enjoy riding my bike and am a friendly kind of guy) only to be ignored. Wow, I thought, these guys are coming down to the coast to ride my waves and ride on my road and they can't even lift a hand to greet. They must obviously hate riding as it seems to make them really unhappy. Keep on with the good work with your 18 year old and encourage him that hard work pays off. He certainly sounds like he has the right attitude. My motto in life is Attitude determines Altitude.

Yup, but like most things circumstances do play a part. Getting a podium after needing hectic treatment is dodgy as hell. Guess my point is the same as yours - get treatment, don't race. And these guys do race often - if it was that bad you're jeopardising the next races. Pull out.

The real problems are :

-1 that the WADA infringements are based on qualitative detection. Even trace amounts that don't constitute sufficient dosage for a beneficial effect during the race can get you banned

-2 the TUE process is too drawn out. A mechanism needs to be provided for an athlete receiving treatment during an event (stage race?) to submit TUE application and a 'before treatment' sample. Then go race. If the TUE is not subsequently awarded then at least the athlete was honest and does not deserve sanction for having that substance in his system. Results can be made provisional and prize money withheld until any pending TUE applications are finalised.

-3 the current system requires us all to be medical experts. The issue of knowledge comes up frequently in these cases and I think the average athlete is not empowered to act appropriately under the current system. As a chemical engineer I can at least pronounce some of those names and I may even be able to guess the structure of some of them but I sure can't remember them all. And if I was nauseous and dehydrated in the medical tent before a stage then I doubt I would be thinking with any great clarity.

-4 V12man is right that the doctor should treat the patient appropriate to the illness without restriction by sporting rules. But there is overlap....alternative drugs not on the WADA list may be useable. A doctor attending a competition should have some WADA knowledge and be able to advise their patients of the consequences of the treatment given. Perhaps WADA should offer courses and a protocol for medical professionals who can then become WADA certified and this certificate could be a factor in selecting medical personnel to attend at races.

If this guy was genuinely doping then sanction him but there seems to be cause for doubt in this case.

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I'm not commenting here specifically relating to Ty, but for all the ''accidental ingestions'' out there.

I don't get it.  I have not been a pro athlete, but I am a woman that has been pregnant three times. 

It goes like this, basically, you have your mutivitamin and you are allowed panado.  Any other ailment requires you to ''suck it up sussie'' and just deal with it or read pages and pages of pharmacutical phamlets and check websites to find out if other meds are ok. 

So if you are a pro, its the same. 

With all the trouble these okes are having managing their meds, maybe its a good thing the ladies have the responsibility of having babies

people ask me what I'm on, I'm on my bike? ~ LA

"its not about the bike" ~ LA

closest he got to telling the truth...

I'm not commenting here specifically relating to Ty, but for all the ''accidental ingestions'' out there.

 

I don't get it.  I have not been a pro athlete, but I am a woman that has been pregnant three times. 

 

It goes like this, basically, you have your mutivitamin and you are allowed panado.  Any other ailment requires you to ''suck it up sussie'' and just deal with it or read pages and pages of pharmacutical phamlets and check websites to find out if other meds are ok. 

 

So if you are a pro, its the same. 

With all the trouble these okes are having managing their meds, maybe its a good thing the ladies have the responsibility of having babies

The RIDER is responsible for what medication he/she takes - NOTHING to do with the medics who treat him - they treat his medical condition as MEDICALLY appropriate - anti doping rules are sports rules - NOT medical rules - and the medic is only obliged to treat the patient to the best of their ability - in point of fact I would not be surprised at all if a recommendation was made to the athlete to not continue participation in the event due to their medical condition - fortunately. medics are also NOT POLICEMEN, and often patients continue on Against Medical Advice......

 

As much as I like Ty - he knows it's his responsibility to check what he takes before he takes it - and he does take responsibility for it - all he can do really is ask for a reduction in penalty on some kind of basis - such as not being in full command of his senses at the time due to his medical condition (perhaps somewhat understandable) - as a mitigating factor for the penalty

 

The only person to blame here is Ty - unless the medic made a mistake about what they treated him with and actually gave him an incorrect drug (not the one the meant to give him - so opened the wrong packet basically - and somehow didn't notice).

But WHY the hell are medics stocking Banned substances at a race ???

Utter BS

But WHY the hell are medics stocking Banned substances at a race ???

Utter BS

Because they're medics first, and race medics second.

If you fall and break your leg, do you want the painkillers, or don't you?

But WHY the hell are medics stocking Banned substances at a race ???

Utter BS

I think you will find this has been answered a number of times already.

Hell, I got altitude sickness at EA a few years ago which lead to a massive lung infection which caused me to lose consciousness numerous times... after 5 hours of fighting my way off the mountain, Without 'banned' drugs and non legal treatment by the race paramedics, I could quite easily have been a corpse.

I am eternally grateful for the team that had me rigged up behind the bar at the Dragon's beak resort. 

It is not the medics we should be blaming, but the constant actions of the cyclists and their managers using 'steak' and blaming race medics for their actions.

If the race medic gives you pills when you race, surely as a pro athlete you and your team management would discuss said procedure and lodge an appeal or exemption process BEFORE you get caught?

So you get stripped of your podium, but at least everything is above board. Trying to hide it or forget about it at the time and them sowing blame when you get caught months after the fact is the problem, provided his story is even true on not just some cover up...

But WHY the hell are medics stocking Banned substances at a race ???

Utter BS

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Safety before medals ✅

But WHY the hell are medics stocking Banned substances at a race ???

Utter BS

The answer is in the first paragraph of V12's post that you quoted.

Even so, there are questions. Once the medic has put a banned substance into your mouth or veins you should be pulled from the race. And surely there must be procedures in place to deal with this.

" Boet I'm gonna give you this, but then I have to call that dik oke with the clipboard and the card around his neck. OK?"

But WHY the hell are medics stocking Banned substances at a race ???

Utter BS

They are NOT banned for use to treat patients - sporting authorities believe they give athletes an unfair advantage when used - so the SPORTS rules affect what a patient/athlete is allowed to take AND STILL compete.

Medical best practice allows their use - in fact, often recommends it.

All the athlete has to do is not compete and they can take anything.

There is a process that allows exemptions for certain conditions and still allows competition - called a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) - and if an athlete is prescribed something on the restricted list, then the Athlete is required to get the TUE application completed and submitted appropriately (not the doctors responsibility) - and in fact each time an athlete is prescribed something on the list, then they are best advised to make sure the TUE request is correctly completed and submitted - because some drugs show up in testing long after the fact that they were taken - so that if they are tested, then there is a paper trail for the request - even if it is denied, then they will be advised how long they cannot compete for after taking the drug or the circumstances that will allow them readmission to competition.

As to why a medic keeps a supply of medicine that includes things on the WADA list - that's because they are in general the best to treat some things with... do you want to be treated well or not at all?

They are NOT banned for use to treat patients - sporting authorities believe they give athletes an unfair advantage when used - so the SPORTS rules affect what a patient/athlete is allowed to take AND STILL compete.

 

Medical best practice allows their use - in fact, often recommends it.

 

All the athlete has to do is not compete and they can take anything.

 

There is a process that allows exemptions for certain conditions and still allows competition - called a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) - and if an athlete is prescribed something on the restricted list, then the Athlete is required to get the TUE application completed and submitted appropriately (not the doctors responsibility) - and in fact each time an athlete is prescribed something on the list, then they are best advised to make sure the TUE request is correctly completed and submitted - because some drugs show up in testing long after the fact that they were taken - so that if they are tested, then there is a paper trail for the request - even if it is denied, then they will be advised how long they cannot compete for after taking the drug or the circumstances that will allow them readmission to competition.

 

As to why a medic keeps a supply of medicine that includes things on the WADA list - that's because they are in general the best to treat some things with... do you want to be treated well or not at all?

Sure. But steroids cause dehydration, not help with it.

I'm not commenting here specifically relating to Ty, but for all the ''accidental ingestions'' out there.

 

I don't get it. I have not been a pro athlete, but I am a woman that has been pregnant three times.

 

It goes like this, basically, you have your mutivitamin and you are allowed panado. Any other ailment requires you to ''suck it up sussie'' and just deal with it or read pages and pages of pharmacutical phamlets and check websites to find out if other meds are ok.

 

So if you are a pro, its the same.

With all the trouble these okes are having managing their meds, maybe its a good thing the ladies have the responsibility of having babies

OK... Devil's advocate time... Average Joe goes to the race medic and gets some good stuff... and they test averge Joe back marker.. Like they did that back marker at the epic one year (granted he was tested positive for steroids)... And you are bust and forced to pay a fine etc... Bit of a bugger won't your say

Next question... Lets say you need some banned substance.. Can your take it and choose not too race anymore for that race... Or could they find traces of it next event