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Anti-Doping Rule Violation: Tyronne White

Press release from Cycling South Africa.

By Press Office · 278 comments

Cycling South Africa reports that Tyronne White has been found guilty of an anti-doping rule violation after an in-competition test conducted on 30 April 2016 confirmed the presence of the Glucocorticoid, Dexamethasone.

The SAIDS Independent Doping Hearing Panel imposed a period of ineligibility of 18 months, commencing on 14 December 2016. Mr. White is therefore suspended and prohibited from competing and administering in the sport of Cycling as well as in any other sport in South Africa and Internationally from 14 December 2016 until 13 June 2018. This decision may be appealed by Mr. White, the UCI, WADA and SAIDS.

Cycling South Africa respects the independence of the SAIDS process and will respect the outcome. Cycling SA further reiterates its zero-tolerance approach to doping in sport and will continue working with SAIDS in the promotion of a drug-free sport via its awareness and extensive testing programmes.

Comments

V12man

Dec 30, 2016, 3:24 PM

Sure. But steroids cause dehydration, not help with it.

Too generic a statement - it's not as simple as that - I don't know why Ty was prescribed what he was allegedly prescribed - must have been more to it than just simple dehydration.

 

The normal race doc at J2C is pretty sharp I think - having had some discussions with him a couple of years ago when we raced J2C - can't remember his name unfortunately - and there is no guarantee who it was at all - one hopes for Ty's sake there is adequate documentation of exactly what was given to him and why - this surely would have been presented at his hearing I suppose - there is in any case the potential for an appeal still I understand - have to wait and see what comes out of that - but there are 2 basics to me that are important:

 

1 - The ATHLETE is (a) responsible for what goes in his body - both checking if it is on the restricted list and if necessary (b) following the TUE process

2 - From my admittedly somewhat limited knowledge of what allegedly happened (only the public announcement basically) neither of those things seemed to have happened (this assumes it happened the way the announcement says it did) and the drugs were legitimately prescribed - if you get sanctioned for not doing what the rules tell you to do, then it's pretty much your own fault and you have to just suck it up and learn from the experience

 

Trying to shift accountability to the medic for not doing what the athlete is supposed to manage is offside in my view - but if they really feel that it is the medics responsibility then they should file a complaint with HPCSA and get it reviewed properly - I will put a small donation to the red cross childrens hospital on the line that says this won't happen - the rule is clear.... they can be read here:

 

http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/SAIDS-Anti-Doping-Rules-2015.pdf

 

Read article 2 - cut and past of a section

 

2.1.1
It is each
Athlete’s
personal duty to ensure that no
Prohibited Substance
enters his or her body.
Athletes
are
responsible for any
Prohibited Substance
or its
Metabolites
or
Markers
found to be
present in their
Samples
. Accordingly, it is not
necessary that intent,
Fault
, negligence or knowing
Use
on the
Athlete’s
part be demonstrated in order to establish an anti
-
doping
rule violation under Article 2.1.
V12man

Dec 30, 2016, 3:28 PM

 

Next question... Lets say you need some banned substance.. Can your take it and choose not too race anymore for that race... Or could they find traces of it next event

Yes you can take it - just fill in the TUE and see whether this is accepted or not - best to be open and honest about what you take - you are allowed to take medication for diagnosed conditions - you are NOT allowed to take them without cause... it may well be that the TUW will be denied and your race will be halted - but it's unlikely to result in a ban - fail to follow the TUE process guarantees a ban if you get tested.

eddy

Dec 31, 2016, 1:11 PM

Ha!

I wonder how many participants can honestly put up their hand if someone asked:

"Who has never taking anything illegal to help them finish..."

No if's and buts....no excuses about being a fun competitor.... it's a hands up or hands down question?

 

My hand is up.

Harryn

Dec 31, 2016, 1:19 PM

My hand is up.

Mine too. But i never rode anything longer than the Argus, and I always come 29 546th.

Kalahari Vegmot

Dec 31, 2016, 1:31 PM

My hand is up.

+1

 

Hut I don't think we 'normal' riders always get it. For me there is no debate-I won't ever touch anything that might even be slightly suspicious, but when you are at the top ranks, it might be more difficult to do the right thing...

 

So, when someone uses a banned substance, it just means that to them winning is more important than integrity. Or just greed as they have to make a living from winning IMHO

RockHound

Dec 31, 2016, 7:56 PM

Ha!

"I had no intention of cheating"

But you still continued and finished - Note I'm not picking on you, just using your post

This is a situation thousands of participants have been through in any of the many endurance events that take place every year....

Funny how it only matters if an athlete at the pointy end of the results makes this decision (remember the golden rule: it's the athletes responsibility).

Popular opinion on athletes getting caught in these kind of circumstances is that if you are sick enough to need medication then you should not be taking part or should bale out...

I wonder how many participants can honestly put up their hand if someone asked:

"Who has never taking anything illegal to help them finish..."

No if's and buts....no excuses about being a fun competitor.... it's a hands up or hands down question?

I can sleep at night,

Ematrol, is definitely not on the banned list, in SA or on the WADA list.

 

Valid point as I know of individuals who would use IVs to pump them up on multi day events to help recover faster. This really p@$$ed me off as everyone else has to focus on eating properly, getting to bed, and staying off the grog.

 

Same rules apply to everyone

SwissVan

Dec 31, 2016, 9:50 PM

My hand is up.

Lekker, I was getting worried... 2 days and 6 pages and no hands up.

Unfortunately I can't... took a caffeine (bioplus) overdose once... just to see what would happen and think it was when caffeine was on the no go list... ☺️

Patchelicious

Dec 31, 2016, 11:44 PM

C'mon ????????????

 

Let's not shift the blame and responsibility to the race doc'

 

Vat jou pak soos 'n man ☝????

Agreed.

 

But for the sake of constructive debate.

 

IF Ty went to the race tent on the morning of the last day and asked for help, and the Doc said to him: "Here have this pill X" and he checks Pill X on the WADA list, and it's all good, BUT the Doc makes a mistake and gives him Pill Y, BY ACCIDENT, what then?

 

If the Doc said to me here, "what I'm giving you is Valiods" but he BY MISTAKE gives me something else, I as a rider would have no reason to check the medication. The expert said its X!!

 

I am one of the most vocal HubKnobs when it comes to doping, but, what I'm basically saying is that, if it comes out that the Doc did give Ty the wrong meds(he actually made a mistake in the heat of the moment) would we believe it?

 

Edit: Giving a rider "X" is only good if it's a New Years party ;)

Patchelicious

Jan 1, 2017, 12:07 AM

Also, another thing we can do is check the results.

 

The morning that Ty got sick, did he do well?

fandacious

Jan 1, 2017, 3:24 PM

I received this from someone who obviously wants to stay anonymous

 

 

Hi, I can't comment on Ty's post for reasons that would be unprofessional but I am in the medical field specifically the pre hospital field. The two corticosteroids which we carry are hydrocortisone and methylprednisolene. We do not carry dexamethasone as there is no need for it in emergency situations. Also, if he was dehydrated and nauseous, he would have been given a Ringers Lactate IV fluid bag which only contains electrolytes and he may have been given either Stemetil or Maxalon for the nausea. None of those contain dexamethasone. One must also remember that those "pros" have a no needle policy. And the onus is on the athlete to monitor what is administered.

fandacious

Jan 1, 2017, 3:26 PM

Also, another thing we can do is check the results.

 

The morning that Ty got sick, did he do well?

http://joberg2c.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/JoBerg2C-Final-GC-Results-After-day-9.pdf

Eugene Oppelt

Jan 1, 2017, 4:19 PM

I received this from someone who obviously wants to stay anonymous

 

 

Hi, I can't comment on Ty's post for reasons that would be unprofessional but I am in the medical field specifically the pre hospital field. The two corticosteroids which we carry are hydrocortisone and methylprednisolene. We do not carry dexamethasone as there is no need for it in emergency situations. Also, if he was dehydrated and nauseous, he would have been given a Ringers Lactate IV fluid bag which only contains electrolytes and he may have been given either Stemetil or Maxalon for the nausea. None of those contain dexamethasone. One must also remember that those "pros" have a no needle policy. And the onus is on the athlete to monitor what is administered.

Okay ????????

That should clarify a lot of the unknowns

Paulst12

Jan 1, 2017, 6:20 PM

Mine too. But i never rode anything longer than the Argus, and I always come 29 546th.

I wonder how the guy/girl who came 29547th feels about that????

:eek:  :D  :D

Harryn

Jan 1, 2017, 8:55 PM

I wonder how the guy/girl who came 29547th feels about that????

:eek: :D :D

Lol. He was pissed. I sucked his wheel from the top of suikerbossie, and then I sprinted for the finish. And got a coke before him in the queu. [emoji23]

Rocket-Boy

Jan 1, 2017, 10:09 PM

I missed most of this, are we still debating on whether he is guilty or not?

Just wondering if I should be sharpening my pitchfork...

HappyMartin

Jan 2, 2017, 6:43 AM

Do I have this right.

 

1. He says the medics gave this to him. The medic said they don't have this stuff in stock at the race and its not what they would have given him anyway for the symptoms he says he displayed.

2. He says he was really severely ill and needed treatment. A health issue.

3. Despite the severity of his illness he managed to come third beating amongst others Calvin Beneke, Darren Lille and Kachelhoffer.

'Kaze Pete

Jan 2, 2017, 6:51 AM

He doped, he got caught. He denies it all.

Same old story.

Move on I'd say, dopers are not worth all this energy being expended on them post-mortem

 

edit / PS: 

Which of these are true?

  • Favourite sons do not commit murder
  • Clergy do not commit adultery
  • teachers do not commit peadophilia
  • Cyclists do not dope

 

nuff said

carbon29er

Jan 2, 2017, 7:29 AM

Agreed.

 

But for the sake of constructive debate.

 

IF Ty went to the race tent on the morning of the last day and asked for help, and the Doc said to him: "Here have this pill X" and he checks Pill X on the WADA list, and it's all good, BUT the Doc makes a mistake and gives him Pill Y, BY ACCIDENT, what then?

 

If the Doc said to me here, "what I'm giving you is Valiods" but he BY MISTAKE gives me something else, I as a rider would have no reason to check the medication. The expert said its X!!

 

I am one of the most vocal HubKnobs when it comes to doping, but, what I'm basically saying is that, if it comes out that the Doc did give Ty the wrong meds(he actually made a mistake in the heat of the moment) would we believe it?

 

Edit: Giving a rider "X" is only good if it's a New Years party ;)

I find this interesting as in my experience of the "minor" stage races the medics have very little leeway to dispense actual drugs. Mostly it's strapping and creams on wounds. When I tried get an anti-inflammatory for a sprained wrist at W2W a few years back it was a no go from the medical tent.

 

In any event a pro is responsible for knowing what he is taking. The shifting of blame only works if you can find a pharmacist who is happy to provide a BS affidavit about a previous customer.

Patchelicious

Jan 2, 2017, 7:39 AM

I received this from someone who obviously wants to stay anonymous

 

 

Hi, I can't comment on Ty's post for reasons that would be unprofessional but I am in the medical field specifically the pre hospital field. The two corticosteroids which we carry are hydrocortisone and methylprednisolene. We do not carry dexamethasone as there is no need for it in emergency situations. Also, if he was dehydrated and nauseous, he would have been given a Ringers Lactate IV fluid bag which only contains electrolytes and he may have been given either Stemetil or Maxalon for the nausea. None of those contain dexamethasone. One must also remember that those "pros" have a no needle policy. And the onus is on the athlete to monitor what is administered.

Was this person at J2C or just in the medical field?

Patchelicious

Jan 2, 2017, 7:43 AM

I find this interesting as in my experience of the "minor" stage races the medics have very little leeway to dispense actual drugs. Mostly it's strapping and creams on wounds. When I tried get an anti-inflammatory for a sprained wrist at W2W a few years back it was a no go from the medical tent.

 

In any event a pro is responsible for knowing what he is taking. The shifting of blame only works if you can find a pharmacist who is happy to provide a BS affidavit about a previous customer.

My question was: IF the doc did in fact give him the wrong meds would we believe it?

 

IF this did really happen it would also not be blame shifting.

 

IF this did happen would the doc actually admit it? Giving somebody the wrong meds, is a biggie...

 

I'm not talking about the likely hood of this, history has taught us better, but I'm just trying to be objective.

Patchelicious

Jan 2, 2017, 7:47 AM

He doped, he got caught. He denies it all.

Same old story.

Move on I'd say, dopers are not worth all this energy being expended on them post-mortem

 

edit / PS:

Which of these are true?

  • Favourite sons do not commit murder
  • Clergy do not commit adultery
  • teachers do not commit peadophilia
  • Cyclists do not dope

nuff said

I do think that a discussion about meds at Race tents is worth having?

Stretch

Jan 2, 2017, 8:27 AM

Oh ****..I see his partner on j2ç was Andrew hill.. Who is the most straight down the line nice chap your will ever meet.. Hope he doesn't feel the repercussions of this

fandacious

Jan 2, 2017, 8:41 AM

 

thats impressive considering he stopped with dehydration and still had a shot from the doc

 

speaking of shots, whats the story with the no needles rule in SA?

fandacious

Jan 2, 2017, 8:41 AM

My question was: IF the doc did in fact give him the wrong meds would we believe it?

 

IF this did really happen it would also not be blame shifting.

 

IF this did happen would the doc actually admit it? Giving somebody the wrong meds, is a biggie...

 

I'm not talking about the likely hood of this, history has taught us better, but I'm just trying to be objective.

 

docs giving wrong meds is *very very very* serious.

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