Adverse Analytical Finding – in-competition test

I find it amazing how many people try to condone the use of banned supplements for any rider regardless of whom they are. It’s the middle of the pack guys who are most at risk of the adverse effects of drugs. Imagine the stress on your heart if you are overweight and at 100% of your HR max? Heart attack waiting to happen!!

 

For all riders regardless of who you are, testing is to stop you from cheating, and for your own health benefits.

You are missing the point of the discussion. Go read up a bit on the replies

I find it amazing how many people try to condone the use of banned supplements for any rider regardless of whom they are. It’s the middle of the pack guys who are most at risk of the adverse effects of drugs. Imagine the stress on your heart if you are overweight and at 100% of your HR max? Heart attack waiting to happen!!

 

For all riders regardless of who you are, testing is to stop you from cheating, and for your own health benefits.

If you kill yourself through doping that is entirely your own problem. I don't care in the slightest.

What does bug me is scarce resources, to which I quite possibly contributed through my membership fees, being wasted on testing absolute nobodies, while doping could still be rampant in the pro ranks, for all we know.

This just feels like so such a useless exercise.

I am amazed how many slate doping when a pro gets caught and how he is cheating etc. but when an unknown name then it's all good. Guy even gets defended. This guy has a license number so is a licensed cyclist and subject yo normal rules. Cheating us cheating, back marker or not. Random tests serve a purpose as it keeps everyone on their toes. If everyone knew only the top pro's would be tested, many others would dope. And let's race it, there is some good prize money etc at stake outside of the pro ranks.

I have been beaten by riders who dope, and it's unfair. So anyone caught then I think it's good. If I get caught because I'm just in the bunch and didn't check on the meds I took, then I must take the punishment.

Where do you then draw the line on who is tested and who not ? You take part in a sport you have the risk of being tested. That's how it should be.

I also disagree that pro's not tested. I have ridden with pro's training and they get a call that testers are at the house and they need to get home for a test. This is 8 on a Sunday morning.

Have we determined who Hendrik is yet ?

I looked on the TDF list and then moved on to The Epic podiums list and from there to the national marathons and series, also on CTP results I don't see him near the top step.

So who is this Frankenstein and why was he tested ?

Oom H maybe?

I'm kaking my pants here as i have SA XCo champs this weekend not because I'm willing & knowingly taking something illegal, but its possible that something illegal pops up in a test & then i get crucified by the hub. now i'm sure everyone is going to harp on about "it's your responsibility to check what you take" but lets be honest, how many of us really do & no i'm not a pro or elite either, just another average vet. I'm banking on Dischems good faith that all their supplements are not on the banned list.

My apologies, you are quite correct... getting muddled up here

Anyways, bottom line, not enough testing on the pro's and tests being used on non-competitive cyclists is a complete farce.

Local pro riders have to disclose their whereabouts also.....

Local pro riders have to disclose their whereabouts also.....

None of the mountain bikers - list is available on UCI website

I find it amazing how many people try to condone the use of banned supplements for any rider regardless of whom they are. It’s the middle of the pack guys who are most at risk of the adverse effects of drugs. Imagine the stress on your heart if you are overweight and at 100% of your HR max? Heart attack waiting to happen!!

 

For all riders regardless of who you are, testing is to stop you from cheating, and for your own health benefits.

This statement makes NO sense...when you are overweight you 100% hr might be 90bpm and fitter but still overweight might be 145bpm at you 100%

BPM will NOT cause an attack, high BP, or other factors like EPO etc until you blood is as thick as butter...yes......

None of the mountain bikers - list is available on UCI website

Not on the UCI site, but to the LOCAL doping control people....there was a moan by Evans and Steward no so long ago about this on twitter. They said why is was that they got a "surpirse" visit when they clearly stated on their forms when and where it would be ok for them to be tested....Jeroen replied still saying....it is a "surprise test"

Not on the UCI site, but to the LOCAL doping control people....there was a moan by Evans and Steward no so long ago about this on twitter. They said why is was that they got a "surpirse" visit when they clearly stated on their forms when and where it would be ok for them to be tested....Jeroen replied still saying....it is a "surprise test"

I wasn't aware that there is a local whereabouts program. Wonder how it is administered? By whom?

I wasn't aware that there is a local whereabouts program. Wonder how it is administered? By whom?

Not sure about the detail, just noticed the comments on Twitter at the time. Maybe not the same as the international program. More like a when and where can they get hold of you to test and they might or might not rock up for a test.

Not sure about the detail, just noticed the comments on Twitter at the time. Maybe not the same as the international program. More like a when and where can they get hold of you to test and they might or might not rock up for a test.

Not sure about the detail, just noticed the comments on Twitter at the time. Maybe not the same as the international program. More like a when and where can they get hold of you to test and they might or might not rock up for a test.

Will be interesting to find out. If its not formal then it must be open to abuse.

Ja, I saw you post after I posted. But is there not maybe some connection between? EPO deaths made the authorities get a bit more serious about things.

Sure epo deaths would be top of the list for the health argument perspective, however i recall the health side being present long before epo was popular.

Im pretty sure the initial objective for drug testing was to protect athletes from harming or killing themselves....remember in the long ago times people used to take stuff without proper medical supervision and would occasionaly fall over and die during an event because of stuff they took during the event, either to improve performance or to fix the pain

This guy has a license number so is a licensed cyclist and subject yo normal rules.

Cheating us cheating, back marker or not. Random tests serve a purpose as it keeps everyone on their toes.

No it doesn't.

The 250 000 odd funriders in this country does not give a rats ass to what they eat or not eat. As normal person you don't check all your foods and drinks.

If everyone knew only the top pro's would be tested, many others would dope.

So let us test ALL the pros and not just SOME.

And let's race it, there is some good prize money etc at stake outside of the pro ranks.

BAHAHAHaH. If you call my R50 winnings in the Ride4Sight "good"......no!!!! Surely you know what bread and milk cost right?

I am one of the BIG supporters of taking away the price money of all not competing categories. You want price money. Go race pro. You want bragging rights for being the fastest?........funrider.

I have been beaten by riders who dope, and it's unfair. So anyone caught then I think it's good. If I get caught because I'm just in the bunch and didn't check on the meds I took, then I must take the punishment.

Problem is.....the stuff that this guy was caught with was not meds.....

And about 90% of stuff on medicine and supplement I don't know what it is.......because the manufacturers use buzz words rather than medical terms.

Where do you then draw the line on who is tested and who not ?

Pros get tested. Fun riders not.

You take part in a sport you have the risk of being tested. That's how it should be.

Partake or compete? Think a bit.....if you compete...then sure....

If you partake in an event just because you want to beat your buddy or do the view at the top.....why must limited funds be used to test these guys?

I also disagree that pro's not tested. I have ridden with pro's training and they get a call that testers are at the house and they need to get home for a test. This is 8 on a Sunday morning.

Again....just some of them.

Not all of them.

And NOTHING is visible to see. No reports. No nothing.

Give me a report printed on black on white telling me who has been tested when and who passed and failed, then I will belief.

I have been tested in the past. You hear #*%$ from them. Which is good. But it would be nice to see that I have been tested, found clean etc.

And all said and done......all the mumbo jumbo above this post.....it means nothing.

Because the REAL dopers....the guys that dope on purpose and KNOWS what he puts in his body....he can pass that piss test with flying colors!

I wasn't aware that there is a local whereabouts program. Wonder how it is administered? By whom?

All nations (SAIDS in South Africa) that subscribe to the WADA code have a local whereabouts program within the guidelines of the ADAMS system and sporting code's governing bodies. How widely and efficiently it's implemented though is another thing.

There again though, there are efforts to simplify the administration and use via the app.

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/adams/

http://www.saathlete.com/athletics-news/international-news/5638-wada-adams-whereabouts-app-for-smartphones-now-available

Doper

I may as well sniff some EPOL or something, as both heart meds are described as 'masking agents' lol.

All nations (SAIDS in South Africa) that subscribe to the WADA code have a local whereabouts program within the guidelines of the ADAMS system and sporting code's governing bodies. How widely and efficiently it's implemented though is another thing.

There again though, there are efforts to simplify the administration and use via the app.

 

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/adams/

 

http://www.saathlete...s-now-available

Thanks dassie. Just wondering how formal it is or if some guys are never at home?

I may as well sniff some EPOL or something, as both heart meds are described as 'masking agents' lol.

ok so you enter you pay your fee, so you have agreed to "obey" the stoopid rules(cough mixture,wada wada) im not talking juice im talking ABOUT stuff we wouldnt even know is illegal, they come to you joe soap number

3340 out of 3390 riders they ask you to pee, YOU TELL THEM TO PEE OFF WHAT THEN????

i know you have agreed to the rules, but you say pee off?? whats the procedure

cause if i get told to pee and i know i dont use PEDS they better have a beeeg boere tannie as a nurse, cause the wont get shiiit from me

Problem is.....the stuff that this guy was caught with was not meds.....

And about 90% of stuff on medicine and supplement I don't know what it is.......because the manufacturers use buzz words rather than medical terms.

 

http://www.drugfrees...cation-check-4/

 

And NOTHING is visible to see. No reports. No nothing.

Give me a report printed on black on white telling me who has been tested when and who passed and failed, then I will belief.

 

http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/cases

 

I have been tested in the past. You hear #*%$ from them. Which is good. But it would be nice to see that I have been tested, found clean etc.

 

And all said and done......all the mumbo jumbo above this post.....it means nothing.

Because the REAL dopers....the guys that dope on purpose and KNOWS what he puts in his body....he can pass that piss test with flying colors!

 

Not so much anymore with a bio passport and whereabouts system. IF it's implemented throughly and consistently, that's the killer.

Partake or compete?

I said this a few years back on The Hub and I was flamed and stoned worse than skunk rapist on a boat.

They need to stop calling these races "races"

They are events, people need to enter because they want to experience the terrain and the area.

Or call them challenges, this whole series hogwash is killing friendships and building ego's bigger than the Parthenon only to find out they are like a scale model of Leaning tower Pizza.

ok so you enter you pay your fee, so you have agreed to "obey" the stoopid rules(cough mixture,wada wada) im not talking juice im talking ABOUT stuff we wouldnt even know is illegal, they come to you joe soap number

 

3340 out of 3390 riders they ask you to pee, YOU TELL THEM TO PEE OFF WHAT THEN????

 

i know you have agreed to the rules, but you say pee off?? whats the procedure

 

cause if i get told to pee and i know i dont use PEDS they better have a beeeg boere tannie as a nurse, cause the wont get shiiit from me

Would love to know.

What will they do? Fire you?

Oh, wait they cannot ... you don't work for them.

Arrest you cause you didn't want to pee? No hang on they need a warrant for that.

I said this a few years back on The Hub and I was flamed and stoned worse than skunk rapist on a boat.

They need to stop calling these races "races"

They are events, people need to enter because they want to experience the terrain and the area.

Or call them challenges, this whole series hogwash is killing friendships and building ego's bigger than the Parthenon only to find out they are like a scale model of Leaning tower Pizza.

i race pull in ill show you hot shot, i dont play, THIS IS THE HUB, WE ARE RACERS

Thanks dassie. Just wondering how formal it is or if some guys are never at home?

It's a formal process, but surprise tests are normal and not always in conjunction with the where abouts program.

Part of the where abouts program is for riders to check in wherever, knowing that they're subject to a visit at anytime by testers.

So, if you're supposed to be at Harry's Sex Shop for two days and the testers arrive but you're in the next province. Problems.

Unfortunately this isn't in place a helluva lot, it comes back to money once again.