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Review: American Classic Wide Lightning wheelset

By BikeHubCoreAdmin · 54 comments

Although not the first to launch properly wide rims, American Classic’s Wide Lightning were the first to offer extra width in a light and strong rim. Billed for anything from XC to Enduro, we put them to test to see for ourselves how they hold up after months of real-life use.

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With availability in both 27.5″ and 29″ models and a new carbon spin-off called the Carbonator, there’s a model for just about any bike and budget. The 32 hole rims are build 3-Cross Front and Rear into a wheelset using their own 14/15 gauge spokes and aluminium nipples. Claimed weight for the set is 1569g which is very competitive.

The Wide Lightnings feature the same basic driver mechanism as used on other American Classic wheels. The ratchet teeth are integrated directly into the one-piece aluminium freehub body while a steel cam plate simultaneously engages and disengages six aluminium pawls depending on whether you’re pedaling or not.

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The advantage to using aluminium all the way through is an incredibly light rear hub, 225g, according to American Classic. The disadvantage is the ratchet teeth have to be bigger than usual to withstand the applied forces. This results in a slow 15-degree engagement.

The argument for wider rims

Wider rims can dramatically increase the volume of a given tire by increasing the distance between the bead seats. Wide rims also have the additional benefit of increasing the sidewall support. This results in a more stable tyre – especially at lower pressures which in turn leads to better traction, out-right traction under load, braking traction and comfort.

ccs-62657-0-57483400-1431091402.jpgMomsen Mount Graham 29×2.20″ tyre mounted on an Alex Rim DH19 rim.
ccs-62657-0-43818300-1431091397.jpgMomsen Mount Graham 29×2.20″ tyre mounted on a Wide Lightning.

By gaining traction and grip through a wider rim a rider would not necessarily have to run a bigger or gripper tyre, meaning a lighter tyre can be used.

As an example: You’re riding Schwalbe Racing Ralphs, but find them a bit skiddish in front. Usually you would look at fitting a Rocket Ron or maybe a Nobby Nic to get the grip and confidence you’re looking for or you would run a wider tyre in front. By running wider rims this wouldn’t necessarily be needed.

On the Trail

ccs-62657-0-15444000-1431091039.jpgThe Wide Lightnings feature a 29.3mm internal width and a 32mm external width.

I recently spent time on the Momsen Mount Graham tyres for a review. After about 3 months of use, I started toying with the idea using a grippier front tyre instead. While I was looking around at some options, I changed my wheelset to American Classic’s Wide Lightning and decided to move the front and rear tyres across to get an idea of the effect of the wider rim. For reference, the Wide Lightning measures 29.3mm internal and 32mm external vs the AMC MTB 29 Tubeless which is 21mm internal and 26 external.

What a difference those 8.3 internal millimetres make. For starters, I could run even lower pressures than I usually do for extra grip and traction and not sacrifice confidence caused by the tyre rolling on it’s carcass. Secondly the extra width of the rim gives the tyre tread a less rounded profile with less of a drop-off on the sides, giving the tyre a bigger contact patch. This makes the transition from the centre to the side knobs more predictable and further boosting confidence. On the Wide Lightnings, the Mount Grahams proved themselves capable of trail riding with ease and reached it’s limits much later.

ccs-62657-0-14727400-1431091417.jpgThe American Classic Wide Lightning rear hub setup for single speed gearing.

Keen to see what the effect would be on a more trail orientated tyre, I swapped the front tyre for a Vee Crown F. I usually run somewhere between 20-23PSI front and 25-28PSI. Again I could pump it up with 5PSI less than usual when mounted to the Wide Lightnings.

My only complaint would be the slow engagement of the rear hubs. By no means terrible, just not in tune with modern offerings and definitely something that takes getting used to. Even more so when there’s an Industry Nine hub on my other bike. Pedaling up technical single track takes some careful planning and requires consistent pedaling – something that’s not always possible on tricky sections. Once up to speed though, there are no complaints.

Also, I haven’t Enduro’ed them, but I would imagine that with a 2.7mm wall thickness they will be too thin to bash day in and out. I have had them on three 29″ bikes (Steel Single Speed, 100mm Dual Suspension race bike, Trail 29er) and they were comfortable doing duty on all three. The extra cushioning of the lower pressures were welcome on the single speed, the low weight (especially when factoring in tyres as well) was welcome on the race bike, While on the trail 29er they took whatever was thrown at them in their stride. After months of use they are still true and dent free and haven’t needed any TLC.

Verdict

One always has to remind oneself with reviews to put personal preference aside and see something for what it is or meant to be. In this case, however, I feel comfortable to call the Wide Lightnings game changers.

Until you’ve tried wider rims for yourself there’s no way to properly describe the impact it has without sounding like hype or that you’ve just spent too much time in the sun.

When I got my first set of Wide Lightnings, I did not think such grip, traction and comfort was possible at this weight. They are definitely very good as XC, Marathon and trail wheels, and are more than happy to play out on the trails without the worry of breaking – not something that can be said of other race wheels. Besides, where can you buy one wheelset that will cover so many bases and look good doing it?

Get out there and drink some of the wide rims cool aid.

The American Classic Wide Lightning wheelset has a RRP of R7,800. Should your Local Bike Store not have stock, new stock will be arriving in June.

Manufacturer’s specifications:

DisciplineMTB | Cross Country | Enduro”RimsMTB Wide lightning Tubeless Aluminum Disc Rims 29”Spokes and nipplesAC 14/15 gauge Spokes Black | AC Aluminum Spoke Nipples Silver | 32h 3-Cross Front and RearWeight front727gWeight rear842gWeight pair1,569gFront Hubs / SpacingDisc 130 100 mm | 15 mm Thru Axle Disc 100 mm | 9 mm Thru Axle Disc 100 mm | Lefty Disc 100mmRear Hubs / SpacingDisc 225 135 mm | 10 mm x 135 mm Thru Axle Disc | 142 mm Thru Axle Disc | Shimano/SRAM 9/10/11 or SRAM XX1IncludedAC Tubeless Tape Installed | AC Tubeless ValvesQuick releaseCromoly QR’sUpgradesCeramic Bearings | Titanium QR’s | Wheel Bag Thru Axle QR’sBrake interface6 Bolt International Standard

Comments

Iwan Kemp

May 25, 2015, 1:41 PM

Are the WL's true tubeless (or what ever its called?) or do you have to run tape and all that other stuff to seal them proper? 

 

 

They come standard with American Classic's own rim tape fitted. Have a look here

 

https://www.bikehub.co.za/features/_/gear/previews/on-test-american-classic-carbonator-wheels-r2367

Cylon

May 26, 2015, 7:26 AM

O yes.. Just a reminder for all buying a set.. please set the bearing locks, so that the bearings do not get pinched tight when fastening QR or through axles. Too loose and the wheel will woble, to tight and you will have extra resistance. Still think it is the best value for money rimms out there... enjoy!

 

Could you explain how to do this?

Iwan Kemp

Aug 9, 2015, 10:01 AM

Could you explain how to do this?

 

Easiest will be to ask your LBS to check this before leaving the store with your new wheels.

Stevief

Aug 9, 2015, 2:52 PM

Bought my WL set 2 weeks ago. My bike feels lighter and nippier. I have set many PB on climbs and the cornering ability of these wheels are insane. It's the best upgrade I have ever don. They roll so easily and they have such a wide contact patch that going downhill is very confidence inspiring. So chuffed I got them.

GrantRH

Aug 9, 2015, 5:25 PM

Had mine for over a year now and they are still unbelievable.

 

Nice write-up Iwan!

Doring

Aug 19, 2015, 1:41 PM

Can anyone recommend tyres that go well with these? I like the idea of the wide rims "upsizing" the tyre size to some effect without the obvious weight gains. 

 

I have also heard of some folks having issues fitting, removing UST tyres with the rims - any truth to that?

Iwan Kemp

Aug 19, 2015, 2:59 PM

I've had several tires on Wide Lightnings and didn't have any issues with any. On wider rims tires with a rounded profile works best. What tires are you currently riding or would you like to ride? Let me know then we work our way back from there.

Cylon

Aug 21, 2015, 10:19 AM

Can anyone recommend tyres that go well with these? I like the idea of the wide rims "upsizing" the tyre size to some effect without the obvious weight gains. 

 

I have also heard of some folks having issues fitting, removing UST tyres with the rims - any truth to that?

 

I've been running Conti X-King Protection (2.2) on the front and Race King Protection (2.2) on the back on my Wide Lightnings and I've been very happy with the combination of weight, grip and reliability. They've handled all types of terrain from S2c to VG with aplomb. Not sure what they'll be like in very muddy conditions so might swop out the front and/or back for Mountain Kings if traction becomes a problem in summer.

Doring

Aug 22, 2015, 4:35 AM

I've had several tires on Wide Lightnings and didn't have any issues with any. On wider rims tires with a rounded profile works best. What tires are you currently riding or would you like to ride? Let me know then we work our way back from there.

 

I'm pretty much open to anything. Since posting I've actually pulled the trigger and have recieved my wheels - can't wait to get some rubber on them! I see the manual does make mention of not using UST tyres. 

 

I'm a bit confused - am I then looking for any "tubeless ready" tyre? What about folding bead tyres? Looking at anything around the 2.2-2.25 mark with durability in mind.

Xris

Jan 25, 2016, 8:29 AM

any idea where one can buy just the Rims and not the full wheel set?

Iwan Kemp

Jan 25, 2016, 8:37 AM

Only available as complete wheel. Unless you have a warranty claim of course

NGUTF

Apr 24, 2016, 6:50 PM

Are there any major updates to the 2016 WL when compared to the 2015 rims.

Rocket-Boy

Apr 24, 2016, 8:30 PM

Are there any major updates to the 2016 WL when compared to the 2015 rims.

Not sure, about updates but if you are looking at new wheels then also consider the new stands rims which are a whole lot wider than they used to be. Coupled with some hope evo4's Im pretty sure I would do the stans over the AC WL's.

NGUTF

Apr 25, 2016, 6:04 AM

Not sure, about updates but if you are looking at new wheels then also consider the new stands rims which are a whole lot wider than they used to be. Coupled with some hope evo4's Im pretty sure I would do the stans over the AC WL's.

 

I am riding mainly XCM and XCO so not sure how wide to go. Thanks for the info though! Its seems every time I make my mind up something else pops into the mix making the decision a little more complex.

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Apr 25, 2016, 6:16 AM

I am riding mainly XCM and XCO so not sure how wide to go. Thanks for the info though! Its seems every time I make my mind up something else pops into the mix making the decision a little more complex.

30mm should be sufficient. Wide lightning at 32mm will also transform xc tyres to something resembling grip

raptor-22

Apr 25, 2016, 6:42 AM

Wide lightning wheels are great if you intend to run a fairly wide tyre like a 2.25.

If you prefer a narrower and lighter tyre then they would be too wide, squaring the tyre off quite considerably and take it from me square Tyres don't grip so lekker.

 

The std AMC disc mtb 101 Rin would be sufficiently wide to improve the grip situation without te draw backs of a very wide rim.

 

Also bear in mind the wide lightning dings very easily. It really needs a 2.25 minimum and then you need to be selective as too which. Schwalbe Tyres alphabet high volume casings and work well for xc purposes on WL.

Rocket-Boy

Apr 25, 2016, 7:04 AM

I am riding mainly XCM and XCO so not sure how wide to go. Thanks for the info though! Its seems every time I make my mind up something else pops into the mix making the decision a little more complex.

The new stans are designed to match a certain tyre width from what I see, so if you normally use a 2.0 then they recommend rim x if you run a 2.5 then they recommend rim z.

 

Im looking to upgrade wheels soon so I guess price will be a deciding factor between the new stans and the AC's

robsc

May 25, 2016, 12:54 PM

Still trying to figure  out how to adjust bearing tension ? . I have thru-axle front and quick release rear 

mtbride

May 25, 2016, 12:57 PM

Still trying to figure  out how to adjust bearing tension ? . I have thru-axle front and quick release rear 

 

Same here, the rims were shipped with the correct config from Summit, he asked what config I wanted when I ordered.

robsc

May 25, 2016, 1:02 PM

On the AC website there are manuals explaining this . The one pic has a 5mm allen wrench inserted into the 9mm q/r drive side , then they talk about a knurled bit on the other side which you tension . I dont have that at all on my wheels ??

mtbride

May 25, 2016, 1:12 PM

On the AC website there are manuals explaining this . The one pic has a 5mm allen wrench inserted into the 9mm q/r drive side , then they talk about a knurled bit on the other side which you tension . I dont have that at all on my wheels ??

 

Sorry thought you were talking about axle type issues.

 

The bearings on the rear wheel can be adjusted with the 2 nuts on the non drive side, for the inner one you will need a flat/thin spanner, and for the other nut a normal spanner. I adjust it while the wheel is in the frame and the quick released fastened like normal. Loosen the outer one, adjust the inner one until there's only a small bit of slack, and then tighten the outer one again.

 

The front one I'm not sure, have not adjusted it yet.

robsc

May 25, 2016, 1:35 PM

Pretty much a "cup and cone" type of setting then Kraggie ? Thanks 

mtbDobby

Jun 6, 2016, 10:06 AM

So just bought these and am happy - currently running Vittoria Saguaro 29 2.2 on the front and the Vittoria Peyote 2.1 on the back - any thoughts on this combination?

IH8MUD

Jun 6, 2016, 11:15 AM

I was disappointed in the Peyote . . .. did not last very long. 

Now run Vittora Barzo up front and Saguaro at the back. It is OK now. 

Cookie88

Jun 6, 2016, 11:20 AM

Guys I have a question about these - I have no clue about wheelsets. I am currently running a set of those stock Roval Alu 29" on my Epic. I am curious to know how much of a difference a set of these American Classic's would make in comfort and performance? ie. Would it be worth the R7 on a new set?

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