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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

Thor Buttox

Mar 7, 2017, 8:31 AM

The mtb'ers are the problem with trail access, the amount of rogue riding is the issue really, not what type of bike they are on.

 

Regardless of the bikes, knobs will be knobs. Saying that the person that buys an e-bike will be a bigger knob than the current MTB'ers is a big thumb suck.

Roadies doing mountain biking you mean. On 26's. And lycra. Numpties galore.
Patchelicious

Mar 7, 2017, 8:36 AM

The mtb'ers are the problem with trail access, the amount of rogue riding is the issue really, not what type of bike they are on. 

 

Regardless of the bikes, knobs will be knobs. Saying that the person that buys an e-bike will be a bigger knob than the current MTB'ers is a big thumb suck.

Agreed, but I think that the "perception" that these are motorbikes might have a negative effect on trail owners?

 

Also, if injuries occur due to heavy eBikes crashing into normal trail users, there might also be extra liability.... all this could be bad.

 

So we should just think about how to deal with it.

SwissVan

Mar 7, 2017, 9:06 AM

So what are the objections to them? (Leave Strava out for now)

 

Safety?

Potential trails access?

Trail damage?

Race Categories?

 

Then separately, where do we draw the line between eBicycles and eMotorbikes?

Safety is an issue imo

The rest are minor concerns as people will still bend / break the rules regardless of what bike they pedal.

 

From a safety perspective I've personally seen accidents and close calls due to guys riding ebikes

The problem is they are silent and faster than a normal bicycles and other traffic on the road (pedestrians and cars ) Misjudge the speed as result and bang you have a collision. I've mentioned it previously how I have nearly been hit by guys riding these bikes at speed on the same path I'm jogging on because they come up behind you so quickly and silently.

 

We even had a fatality on one of the local walkin/jogging/cycling paths here last year when 2 ebike cyclists going in opposite directions hit each other on a narrow bridge.

 

There are thousands of these ebikes around here and lots of similar incidents where they are involved in accidents due to loosing control or colliding with other traffic.

Headshot

Mar 7, 2017, 9:24 AM

Safety is an issue imo

The rest are minor concerns as people will still bend / break the rules regardless of what bike they pedal.

 

From a safety perspective I've personally seen accidents and close calls due to guys riding ebikes

The problem is they are silent and faster than a normal bicycles and other traffic on the road (pedestrians and cars ) Misjudge the speed as result and bang you have a collision. I've mentioned it previously how I have nearly been hit by guys riding these bikes at speed on the same path I'm jogging on because they come up behind you so quickly and silently.

 

We even had a fatality on one of the local walkin/jogging/cycling paths here last year when 2 ebike cyclists going in opposite directions hit each other on a narrow bridge.

 

There are thousands of these ebikes around here and lots of similar incidents where they are involved in accidents due to loosing control or colliding with other traffic.

Interesting observations. I wonder how many non ebike accidents there are in places like Holland for instance? At Tokai on Saturday two cyclists collided on the access jeep track. Both were travelling down the hill, the one at plonker pace and the other somewhat faster by all accounts. The plonker simply turned right into the path of the other cyclists as he was passing. Sounds like at least one of them made a trip to the ER afterwards. 

carbon29er

Mar 7, 2017, 9:38 AM

So what are the objections to them? (Leave Strava out for now)

 

Safety?

Potential trails access?

Trail damage?

Race Categories?

 

Then separately, where do we draw the line between eBicycles and eMotorbikes?

To me it's about enjoying nature naturally, under one's own steam, without motorised aids.

 

I accept there are the 4x4 community who enjoy exploring like they do. And the MX/scrambler community who enjoy what they do. Hell, there are even quad bike jols in most rural areas.  They are welcome to play how they want to without interference from those who don't join them.

 

Safety does come in to it. But my resistance has more to do philosophically about nature and the reward for being able to do it for oneself having been granted access to public land. Private land owners can allow what they want.

 

If you cannot walk to the top of the mountain on a hiking trail you don't get to see it. It is your choice not to be able to walk. Obvious disabilities excluded but I'm pointing at a big chunk of the population who choose to be obese and do not exercise.

 

Why should cycling be any different? Because you have tons of cash to throw at a motor you now get to ride on trails that mountain bikers have spent years negotiating access to. Had they gone along asking for access by motors where do you think it would be?

 

So in my it's wrong or it's my way world, if you cannot ride there yourself go join the 4x4 community, the MX/scrambler community or the quad bike guys. But leave the natural open trails to pedal cycles, hikers and horses. Oh and runners. Sad as they are.

 

In the US, forestry has determined an arbitrary 750w/1hp for access by motors. Hell, I'd love to produce 750w to climb the mast.

 

Sooner or later access WILL be an issue.

 

And that is my reason for being reluctant.

GrahamS2

Mar 7, 2017, 9:41 AM

Has cycling really become all about strava KOMs?

 

I find it amusing that you and others on this thread only object to bikes with motors if they take KOMs.

 

And here is the irony. The argument for is it is totally ok as it is a bicycle. But when it comes to awards and prizes it is not a bicycle.

I personally don't use strava, so no. I only ride for enjoyment and don't really care what other people do on their bikes or how they get to the top of climbs. So long as they don't get in my way or damage the trails excessively, they can do what they like.

NotSoBigBen

Mar 7, 2017, 9:45 AM

Of the few e-bikes I have seen around locally only 1 of those persons, to my mind at least, has a reason to need one .... the others well just cause they can I suppose

Patchelicious

Mar 7, 2017, 10:38 AM

Safety is an issue imo

The rest are minor concerns as people will still bend / break the rules regardless of what bike they pedal.

 

From a safety perspective I've personally seen accidents and close calls due to guys riding ebikes

The problem is they are silent and faster than a normal bicycles and other traffic on the road (pedestrians and cars ) Misjudge the speed as result and bang you have a collision. I've mentioned it previously how I have nearly been hit by guys riding these bikes at speed on the same path I'm jogging on because they come up behind you so quickly and silently.

 

We even had a fatality on one of the local walkin/jogging/cycling paths here last year when 2 ebike cyclists going in opposite directions hit each other on a narrow bridge.

 

There are thousands of these ebikes around here and lots of similar incidents where they are involved in accidents due to loosing control or colliding with other traffic.

Good points,Thank you.

 

I think we should listen to those who are already dealing with an increase in pedal assisted bicycles.

 

What is the current thinking on your local trails when it comes to the inclusion of eBikes?

Patchelicious

Mar 7, 2017, 10:53 AM

To me it's about enjoying nature naturally, under one's own steam, without motorised aids.

 

I accept there are the 4x4 community who enjoy exploring like they do. And the MX/scrambler community who enjoy what they do. Hell, there are even quad bike jols in most rural areas.  They are welcome to play how they want to without interference from those who don't join them.

 

Safety does come in to it. But my resistance has more to do philosophically about nature and the reward for being able to do it for oneself having been granted access to public land. Private land owners can allow what they want.

 

If you cannot walk to the top of the mountain on a hiking trail you don't get to see it. It is your choice not to be able to walk. Obvious disabilities excluded but I'm pointing at a big chunk of the population who choose to be obese and do not exercise.

 

Why should cycling be any different? Because you have tons of cash to throw at a motor you now get to ride on trails that mountain bikers have spent years negotiating access to. Had they gone along asking for access by motors where do you think it would be?

 

So in my it's wrong or it's my way world, if you cannot ride there yourself go join the 4x4 community, the MX/scrambler community or the quad bike guys. But leave the natural open trails to pedal cycles, hikers and horses. Oh and runners. Sad as they are.

 

In the US, forestry has determined an arbitrary 750w/1hp for access by motors. Hell, I'd love to produce 750w to climb the mast.

 

Sooner or later access WILL be an issue.

 

And that is my reason for being reluctant.

 

Ok cool, so your primary reason is a more principled and emotive one. (Doesnt mean its wrong), I "feel" the same way as you do sometimes... my old man and I argue about it the whole time :) Doesn't mean either of us is wrong. He thinks its ok for him to one, I say why the hell does he want to when he is more than capable of beating 80% of the field on his Epic anyways.... That discussion is not for here. So I am actually more in your boat here.

 

However, it is slightly more difficult to get people to understand, let alone agree with "principled" based views. How I "feel" about eBike should have no bearing on other peoples choices. HOWEVER if there re valid and real issues, safety etc, then we need to discuss those.

 

On the access, I do think that sooner or later. "Pedal Power Only" or even "No eBikes" signs will pop up. Last thing that I want to see is some dude on some super modified eBike roosting it around  corner like Bubba Stewart, full opposite lock only to plow into a family on a chilled pedal around the Green Route of their local MTB track.

 

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I suppose its the prerogative of the land owner, or clubs to make this decision. Point I am making is that these decisions points are coming, we might as well think about how to handle them now already. 

Odinson

Mar 7, 2017, 10:53 AM

Good points,Thank you.

 

I think we should listen to those who are already dealing with an increase in pedal assisted bicycles.

 

What is the current thinking on your local trails when it comes to the inclusion of eBikes?

 

E-MTBs (and e-bikes) are widely accepted in Europe. It is the largest market currently. I competed in an enduro race over the weekend and you were welcome to race in the e-bike class.

 

I've yet to hear of any trail access issues for e-MTBs.

 

To give some perspective as to how huge e-bikes are becoming:

 

 

pb-small-dark_48x34.png In terms of numbers, in terms of percentage of your sales, in what year did you start with e-bikes and what has the growth been for you guys?

We started with e-bikes in 2013, if I remember right, and then it represented maybe 5% of the total turnover. Today, e-bikes represents roughly 10% of our sales, but it represents more turnover because an e-bike has a higher value. I will say in regards to turnover, it represents maybe 15 to 20%

 

Source: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/from-the-top-scotts-pascal-ducrot.html

 

That's crazy growth for Scott Sports alone. Cube is also selling shedloads of their e-bikes.

Hairy

Mar 7, 2017, 11:11 AM

Ok cool, so your primary reason is a more principled and emotive one. (Doesnt mean its wrong), I "feel" the same way as you do sometimes... my old man and I argue about it the whole time :) Doesn't mean either of us is wrong. He thinks its ok for him to one, I say why the hell does he want to when he is more than capable of beating 80% of the field on his Epic anyways.... That discussion is not for here. So I am actually more in your boat here.

 

However, it is slightly more difficult to get people to understand, let alone agree with "principled" based views. How I "feel" about eBike should have no bearing on other peoples choices. HOWEVER if there re valid and real issues, safety etc, then we need to discuss those.

 

On the access, I do think that sooner or later. "Pedal Power Only" or even "No eBikes" signs will pop up. Last thing that I want to see is some dude on some super modified eBike roosting it around  corner like Bubba Stewart, full opposite lock only to plow into a family on a chilled pedal around the Green Route of their local MTB track.

 

http://www.ftemoto.com/MX/HTwallpaper/images/A15F6938.jpg

 

I suppose its the prerogative of the land owner, or clubs to make this decision. Point I am making is that these decisions points are coming, we might as well think about how to handle them now already. 

Good Post Patch

Hairy

Mar 7, 2017, 11:13 AM

E-MTBs (and e-bikes) are widely accepted in Europe. It is the largest market currently. I competed in an enduro race over the weekend and you were welcome to race in the e-bike class.

 

I've yet to hear of any trail access issues for e-MTBs.

 

To give some perspective as to how huge e-bikes are becoming:

 

 

Source: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/from-the-top-scotts-pascal-ducrot.html

 

That's crazy growth for Scott Sports alone. Cube is also selling shedloads of their e-bikes.

stating good sales percentages is not a good enough motivation to allow a motorised bicycle on a trail designed around non motorised bicycles, and where one will encounter non motorised cyclists.

 

I understand a regulated e-bike is not such a "big thing" to be concerned about.....but we also know human nature, and a good many bikes will be de regulated.

carbon29er

Mar 7, 2017, 11:55 AM

stating good sales percentages is not a good enough motivation to allow a motorised bicycle on a trail designed around non motorised bicycles, and where one will encounter non motorised cyclists.

 

I understand a regulated e-bike is not such a "big thing" to be concerned about.....but we also know human nature, and a good many bikes will be de regulated.

In fact it's almost as bad as using strava KOMs as a reason.

 

Access is the issue. Now or soon. But it is coming. Particularly on public land. And we all know how SA Parks just LOVES having mountain bikes in their parks.

SwissVan

Mar 7, 2017, 12:04 PM

Good points,Thank you.

 

I think we should listen to those who are already dealing with an increase in pedal assisted bicycles.

 

What is the current thinking on your local trails when it comes to the inclusion of eBikes?

I have not heard of any resistance to ebikes on trails, and cannot recall seeing any on dedicated mtb trails in my area (last time I rode on a trail was last summer at least 6 months ago).

This will change as every bike shop is now selling ebikes of which half are mtb ... and there are alot of bike shops.... I have at least 8 within easy walking distance from home.

 

Most of the ones I see are riding on dedicated cycling routes (tar or jeep track) or cruising around town used by people commuting to work etc... the one I nearly collided with while out running is a regular I see who is commuting daily and clearly quite fit and capable. He rides at an "impressive" speed on a public commuting (walking, jogging, horse riding, roller blading, dog walking) type path, he must have good powers of anticipation ???? But one day is one day he will come short

 

In a country where so many people cycle bike accidents are fairly common, but going on reports in the local press there is definetly a belief that ebikes have had a negative (as in increased) influence.

GrahamS2

Mar 7, 2017, 12:05 PM

In fact it's almost as bad as using strava KOMs as a reason.

 

Access is the issue. Now or soon. But it is coming. Particularly on public land. And we all know how SA Parks just LOVES having mountain bikes in their parks.

I don't see how access for pedal assist e-bikes is an issue? It's the equivalent of saying that pro riders should also have restricted access because their speed differential over normal riders is too high. And that's exactly what riding with someone on a pedal assist e-bike is like - just like riding with a faster, fitter rider.

Odinson

Mar 7, 2017, 12:10 PM

stating good sales percentages is not a good enough motivation to allow a motorised bicycle on a trail designed around non motorised bicycles, and where one will encounter non motorised cyclists.

 

I understand a regulated e-bike is not such a "big thing" to be concerned about.....but we also know human nature, and a good many bikes will be de regulated.

 

Selective qouting, Hairy.

 

I've been in Europe for close on two years and have yet to to encounter resistance to regulated e-MTBs. Read here:

 

 

This brings us onto the most important word when we talk about e-bikes - "motorised." Legally e-bikes are considered motorised and globally the legal situation is convoluted. In fact, in most of the United States they are grouped in with motorbikes or mopeds by law. A quick look at a state-by-state guide shows differing legislation and restrictions in each state, different power outputs, different power requirements, license requirements and land access issues. Here in Europe it a bit less complicated, thanks to the EU. There are two types of e-bikes - there are electric pedal-assisted cycles (they have been given the snappy acronym of EPACs by European lawmakers), which are strictly regulated, and then there is everything else which is pretty much covered in my previous paragraph. In fact, anything outside the EPAC regulations is on dodgy ground, much of the time banned from trails for being motorised, but also banned from the roads for being unroadworthy. So from here on in, when we talk of e-bikes, we are talking about these EPACs. EU legislation means they have their power limited to 250W, they are restricted to 25km/h and the motor only functions when you pedal. So long as they comply to these rules, here in Europe they are considered mountain bikes by law and have access to everything mountain bikes have access to.

 

GrahamS2 hit the nail on the head. Riding an e-MTB is the equivalent of being a stronger, fitter rider. That's all.

Hairy

Mar 7, 2017, 12:10 PM

I don't see how access for pedal assist e-bikes is an issue? It's the equivalent of saying that pro riders should also have restricted access because their speed differential over normal riders is too high. And that's exactly what riding with someone on a pedal assist e-bike is like - just like riding with a faster, fitter rider.

people like quoting the output of pro riders, but pro riders have the TITS to know how to manage that power (No wheelspin, etc) and then in theory also have the ability, thanks to TITS to control the bike back down the trail again.

 

Mr/Mrs/Miss Joe/Jolene Soap, new to the sport and lacking bicycle handling ability would not have that skill or TITS.

 

Are we are veering off topic here?

Odinson

Mar 7, 2017, 12:25 PM

people like quoting the output of pro riders, but pro riders have the TITS to know how to manage that power (No wheelspin, etc) and then in theory also have the ability, thanks to TITS to control the bike back down the trail again.

 

Mr/Mrs/Miss Joe/Jolene Soap, new to the sport and lacking bicycle handling ability would not have that skill or TITS.

 

Are we are veering off topic here?

 

So many ass-umptions in your post.

Hairy

Mar 7, 2017, 12:26 PM

So many ass-umptions in your post.

are you ass-suming this .... just applying logic here.

Eugene Oppelt

Mar 7, 2017, 12:27 PM

I've lost one of my handful of trail KOMs because of these energy bikes, earned over 6 mins at 10% gradient under the scorching African sun.

Cried myself to sleep for days ????

 

No. They're not welcome. ????????

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Mar 7, 2017, 12:34 PM

people like quoting the output of pro riders, but pro riders have the TITS to know how to manage that power (No wheelspin, etc) and then in theory also have the ability, thanks to TITS to control the bike back down the trail again.

 

Mr/Mrs/Miss Joe/Jolene Soap, new to the sport and lacking bicycle handling ability would not have that skill or TITS.

 

Are we are veering off topic here?

You're not talking e-bikes. You're talking electric motos. Different thing entirely. 

 

E-MTB's do NOT have the ability to automatically make someone faster on the way down. They DO allow people to get to the top a little faster and fresher. 

 

You're conflating terms here, Hairy... We're all in agreement that if they do not have restrictions on power, do not require pedalling input to initiate the motor and / or have a throttle control, that they do NOT satify the criteria to be categorised as an e-bike. 

 

But that's not the argument here. We're talking about PROPER e-bikes. Not those behemoths that you posted earlier. Those have way too much power and WILL be able to wheelspin on the trails. But - the big thing is that they will not automagically imbue the rider with technical skills - if they're slow on the way down on a normal MTB, they'll be slow on the way down on one of those things. They'll still skrik for drops, gaps, off camber corners and many other trail features. 

carbon29er

Mar 7, 2017, 12:35 PM

I don't see how access for pedal assist e-bikes is an issue? It's the equivalent of saying that pro riders should also have restricted access because their speed differential over normal riders is too high. And that's exactly what riding with someone on a pedal assist e-bike is like - just like riding with a faster, fitter rider.

Time will tell.

 

But while you are about it why not just go ride a motorbike is SAN Parks areas. It is not different to a bicycle with a motor. Or a SUV or bakkie for that matter. So much easier to get to the mast except for all those pesky cyclists.

 

It's hard to fathom how the connection is not made to the MOTOR being a problem.  We are talking about riding motorised bikes in areas that until last September in the Cape that we were not allowed to ride BICYCLES in.

 

Yes E-Bikes are great. Go ride on the road with them if you want to pretend cycle. But don't risk others enjoyment of the mountain because of your own selfishness because you are too lazy to pedal.

FCH

Mar 7, 2017, 12:36 PM

Fair question; depends if you're a figurative or literal person....

More importantly, what is a judgement prick?

carbon29er

Mar 7, 2017, 12:38 PM

You're not talking e-bikes. You're talking electric motos. Different thing entirely. 

 

E-MTB's do NOT have the ability to automatically make someone faster on the way down. They DO allow people to get to the top a little faster and fresher. 

 

You're conflating terms here, Hairy... We're all in agreement that if they do not have restrictions on power, do not require pedalling input to initiate the motor and / or have a throttle control, that they do NOT satify the criteria to be categorised as an e-bike. 

And who is qualified to test that?

 

How many moan about rogue riders? Yet they see motorized bikes as OK on the trails. I cannot fathom this thinking. As hard as I try I just cannot see how they are ok in any natural environment.

Hairy

Mar 7, 2017, 12:44 PM

You're not talking e-bikes. You're talking electric motos. Different thing entirely. 

 

E-MTB's do NOT have the ability to automatically make someone faster on the way down. They DO allow people to get to the top a little faster and fresher. 

 

You're conflating terms here, Hairy... We're all in agreement that if they do not have restrictions on power, do not require pedalling input to initiate the motor and / or have a throttle control, that they do NOT satify the criteria to be categorised as an e-bike. 

A newbie now has the ability to take on a tough climb .... let's use that mother of a climb at the end to reach the mast at Conters, and then access the Black Route. That person is in a world of difficulty here RE skill vs trail conditions. Just an example.

 

E-Bikes are motorbike, no argument of it being restricted to 25km and being pedal assist will change my views on this. It is no longer a human only powered means of transport. Now the decision has to be made as to whether this form of transport is to be allowed on the MTB trails. Personally I have mixed feelings, but I am still leaning to a No Access mindset.

 

As I have noted before, over riding the regulated E-Bikes is a very simple process, and not one that anybody will be able to visually assess or control at the entry point to a trail. 

 

To be clear, there is NOT a "we're all in agreement" consensus RE E-Bikes on the trails even if they do have the 25km control, etc in place. Even more so if these controls are de regulated.

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