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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

ChrisF

May 16, 2019, 10:28 AM

That would be me............. and thanks for the compliment of being called thirty something :thumbup:

 

This would be my son and yes he has just turned 9..... you all welcome to come try keep up with him......

on the DOWNS :ph34r:

 

"I am SURE it can be "justified" .... but it just looked SO wrong seeing an able bodied kid on an ebike ......"

Pretty shitty remark mate????

 

Riding e-bikes together has vastly improved his skill set and his fitness. You try throwing around a bike

that weighs the same as you. My son weighs 26Kg his Giant Stance (Size small not junior-size?) weighs around 24Kg.

 

It has also allowed us to ride all the trails in the Durbanville Hills network. Unbelievable father and son time together where we both can compete like for like. I dont see many other eight year olds doing sub 3:50's

down the Cobra or wait............. see many eight years olds full stop on those trails.

 

And for the record my son has a dirt jump bike, bmx and a Giant Trance but the best times we have TOGETHER is on our ebikes.

 

ChrisF - Maybe come join us for an e-Bike ride.... You welcome to borrow my wife's and see if you can keep up? Both on the ups and the downs  :whistling:  :devil:  :whistling:

 

I warn you once you go E.... there is no turning back!

 

Those last two pics have been flashing up in my minds eye again and again ...  :w00t:   :thumbup:

 

It reminds me of a friend who's son was riding motocross at that age.  He was ripping up the tracks and jumping - and having LOADS OF FUN.  But that was many decades ago ...

 

 

I still say it looks "wierd" to see such a young kid on an ebike - simply because we are not used to it ?  BUT, seeing those last two pics it is clear he USES the bike ...

 

 

So I am finding myself thinking, is this the "new thing" for kids ?  A sort of parallel to the kids that grow up on motocross bikes ?  Wondering how many other kids can ride ebikes this well ?

 

 

Clearly a new world that I am not privvy to .... but always ready to learn and expand my thoughts ....

ChrisF

May 16, 2019, 10:33 AM

Damage to the trails ... normal vs ebike ?

 

 

Look at the various YouTube videos ....

 

My OPNION is that the vast majority of damage results from dragging the wheels into the corners, and roosting the burms ....  BOTH bikes can enter these fast enough to lock the wheels ....  It is up to the rider to modulate the brakes to not damage the trails.

 

 

My OBSERVATION of the eriders I have encountered at Meerendal and Bloemendal is that they are so busy NOT upsetting other MTB riders that they dont lock brakes into corners.  Frankly I often see much worse behaviour from standard MTB riders on these trails ...

rorydewet

May 16, 2019, 10:33 AM

Those last two pics have been flashing up in my minds eye again and again ...  :w00t:   :thumbup:

 

It reminds me of a friend who's son was riding motocross at that age.  He was ripping up the tracks and jumping - and having LOADS OF FUN.  But that was many decades ago ...

 

 

I still say it looks "wierd" to see such a young kid on an ebike - simply because we are not used to it ?  BUT, seeing those last two pics it is clear he USES the bike ...

 

 

So I am finding myself thinking, is this the "new thing" for kids ?  A sort of parallel to the kids that grow up on motocross bikes ?  Wondering how many other kids can ride ebikes this well ?

 

 

Clearly a new world that I am not privvy to .... but always ready to learn and expand my thoughts ....

it is a new world

 

only barrier right now is cost

 

but there is a lot of misunderstanding about costs

 

sure a spez e bike goes for 110 k to 172 k for a top of the range

 

but a good affordable spez will cost about 80 k

 

in terms of giant a full suspension e bike goes for about 50 k

 

and the prices come down each year

 

pretty soon price will be closer to a normal bike

Escapee..

May 16, 2019, 10:33 AM

I would also like to know

Patchelicious

May 16, 2019, 10:34 AM

we also drink coffee after a ride here in gauteng

 

also speak to people whilst riding next to them on a ride or in a race

 

so do talk to fellow cyclists

 

my post wasnt directed at you

 

some guy asked the guy who rode the e bike a direct question of why he rides an e bike

 

i thought that direct question was out of line

 

and i still do

 

If by "some guy" you mean me... 

 

Actually the question was, and let me quote.

 

snip.

...... If its about your small son keeping up with you, why do you need an eBike too? Doesn't that counter the advantage it gives him?

 

Either you didn't see, didn't take the time too actually understand what I was asking, or you didn't get it, like the sarcastic posts.

 

And again, what I asked him is frankly none of your business. 

Patchelicious

May 16, 2019, 10:35 AM

I would also like to know

Don't you dare ask ANYTHING, its frankly non of your business.

Duane_Bosch

May 16, 2019, 10:41 AM

I think that lightie is going to be BUMMED in a few years time when he finds out that for the same money dad could have rather gotten a KX80 for him.

rorydewet

May 16, 2019, 10:43 AM

dont flatter yourself

 

i discounted you as someone who can debate about 4 posts ago

 

life moves on and so do i

 

If by "some guy" you mean me... 

Patchelicious

May 16, 2019, 10:45 AM

dont flatter yourself

 

i discounted you as someone who can debate about 4 posts ago

 

life moves on and so do i

 

 

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ChrisF

May 16, 2019, 10:49 AM

Seems Friday came early ... being the first 5 day week in many months (at least it feels like it) ....

Ascension

May 16, 2019, 10:54 AM

I think that lightie is going to be BUMMED in a few years time when he finds out that for the same money dad could have rather gotten a KX80 for him.

 

I think the lightie will understand - that the eBike was the only way to rip up mtb trails with a motorbike.

SwissVan

May 16, 2019, 10:56 AM

I think that lightie is going to be BUMMED in a few years time when he finds out that for the same money dad could have rather gotten a KX80 for him.

Honda rules

Mambat

May 16, 2019, 11:02 AM

In reply...

 

I would not have originally responded but as it involved my son and questions about him being "able-bodied" I felt compelled to respond.

 

I don’t understand why one has to be disabled or aged or frail to ride an e-Bike?

My guess is many of the commentators on here have either never ridden one or at best did a parking lot test in full Turbo mode and based all their experience on that single ride.

As to the “hate” for e-Bikes my only conclusion is it seems to effect the egos of that XC holy grail of MTB's the CLIMBING.

e-Bikes are a game changer. They are also a totally different discipline of riding. They bring disparate levels of fitness closer, leaving only skill and talent NOT FITNESS as the deciding factor in riding.

 

In answer to my personal situation…..

I had an e-Bike first. I bought one because I wanted one!

My wife then got one as she preferred it to her analogue bike (safer, more stable, better brakes, more suspension on the downs, more comfort and so on.)

It was natural for my son when he was physically big enough to move onto one as well.

 

The biggest positive in us both being on e-Bikes is we are mostly EQUAL in speed across a given trail. I cannot out climb him on the ups and certainly can no longer ride away from him on the downs. This is a huge change from our normal analogue bikes where the average speed across a trail is slower and he obviously physically could not do the climbs.

In saying that I could not ride with him on my analogue bike and stay with him either.

 

I don’t really get why the financial/cost aspect has any relevance to e-Bikes and kids?

As was mentioned already I would agree is rather around personal circumstances and how you raise your children and your values. I have seen many kids cruising around on R50-R60K analogue bikes and some even dropping them down derailleur side……the horror of that!!!!

 

For me this has given my son and I a common interest (a rarity nowadays) that we both do together. This involves from deciding where we riding, what jumps or trails we going to ride today. To loading the bikes, to the buzz in the car on the way there, to kitting up, to shooting the breeze together AS LIKE MINDED MATES and not as father and son! And the joy my son (and me as the proud Dad) gets when he clears gap jumps or blitzes a new PB ranking him in the top end of e-Bike Strava. In this X-Box Fortnite Nanny Helicopter Parenting day and age my son is out there often doing 2-3 hr rides (Full Hoogies, Upper Contermans, Mont Marie, etc) with well over 1000m of climbing and controlling the descents. Honing his skills and building his mental fortitude to keep it shiny side up all at age eight.

 

For us it’s about being riding buddies and as he calls it…”Dad’s Wingman” this is priceless and quite frankly can’t be quantified in a monetary value and doesn’t rightly deserve being questioned by anybody!

ChrisF

May 16, 2019, 11:03 AM

Honda rules

 

remind me again, which e-bikes comes with a YAMAHA motor ...  :clap:   :clap:

Ashchest

May 16, 2019, 11:03 AM

Would  an e-bike be the same as (or modern day version of) a "help-my-trap"?  Anyone remember those?     Can I take one of them on the trails?

 

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Mambat

May 16, 2019, 11:07 AM

I think that lightie is going to be BUMMED in a few years time when he finds out that for the same money dad could have rather gotten a KX80 for him.

 

He was bummed when he had to offload his PW50 as part of the deal of getting his e-Bike!

Duane_Bosch

May 16, 2019, 11:10 AM

He was bummed when he had to offload his PW50 as part of the deal of getting his e-Bike!

Haha. I've seen him tearing up the skills park at hoogies.

Patchelicious

May 16, 2019, 11:11 AM

He was bummed when he had to offload his PW50 as part of the deal of getting his e-Bike!

He looks too big for a PW50.

 

Looking at how he shreds, he would kill on a KTM65!

ChrisF

May 16, 2019, 11:11 AM

...

 

For us it’s about being riding buddies and as he calls it…”Dad’s Wingman” this is priceless and quite frankly can’t be quantified in a monetary value and doesn’t rightly deserve being questioned by anybody!

 

ENJOY !  :thumbup:

 

 

And thanks for sharing your views.

Mambat

May 16, 2019, 11:12 AM

Yep...

 

edit. That does not of course mean that there will be blanket acceptance of them or that they will have unfettered access to all trails. In the US there are already bans in certain places I think

 

Not correct.... trail access is opening up in the States. Yellowstone was the first National Park now being rolled out across the US allowing Pedelec bikes trail access.

 

California is still the stickler but that is under review and all indicators point to full access by next year. Park Rangers across the state are using e-Bikes as mode of transport. Great initiative by the likes of Spez and Trek to gain acceptance.

Shebeen

May 16, 2019, 11:17 AM

In reply...

 

I would not have originally responded but as it involved my son and questions about him being "able-bodied" I felt compelled to respond.

 

I don’t understand why one has to be disabled or aged or frail to ride an e-Bike?

My guess is many of the commentators on here have either never ridden one or at best did a parking lot test in full Turbo mode and based all their experience on that single ride.

As to the “hate” for e-Bikes my only conclusion is it seems to effect the egos of that XC holy grail of MTB's the CLIMBING.

e-Bikes are a game changer. They are also a totally different discipline of riding. They bring disparate levels of fitness closer, leaving only skill and talent NOT FITNESS as the deciding factor in riding.

 

In answer to my personal situation…..

I had an e-Bike first. I bought one because I wanted one!

My wife then got one as she preferred it to her analogue bike (safer, more stable, better brakes, more suspension on the downs, more comfort and so on.)

It was natural for my son when he was physically big enough to move onto one as well.

 

The biggest positive in us both being on e-Bikes is we are mostly EQUAL in speed across a given trail. I cannot out climb him on the ups and certainly can no longer ride away from him on the downs. This is a huge change from our normal analogue bikes where the average speed across a trail is slower and he obviously physically could not do the climbs.

In saying that I could not ride with him on my analogue bike and stay with him either.

 

I don’t really get why the financial/cost aspect has any relevance to e-Bikes and kids?

As was mentioned already I would agree is rather around personal circumstances and how you raise your children and your values. I have seen many kids cruising around on R50-R60K analogue bikes and some even dropping them down derailleur side……the horror of that!!!!

 

For me this has given my son and I a common interest (a rarity nowadays) that we both do together. This involves from deciding where we riding, what jumps or trails we going to ride today. To loading the bikes, to the buzz in the car on the way there, to kitting up, to shooting the breeze together AS LIKE MINDED MATES and not as father and son! And the joy my son (and me as the proud Dad) gets when he clears gap jumps or blitzes a new PB ranking him in the top end of e-Bike Strava. In this X-Box Fortnite Nanny Helicopter Parenting day and age my son is out there often doing 2-3 hr rides (Full Hoogies, Upper Contermans, Mont Marie, etc) with well over 1000m of climbing and controlling the descents. Honing his skills and building his mental fortitude to keep it shiny side up all at age eight.

 

For us it’s about being riding buddies and as he calls it…”Dad’s Wingman” this is priceless and quite frankly can’t be quantified in a monetary value and doesn’t rightly deserve being questioned by anybody!

 

five flaming chillies for this Dad of the year candidate. I'm going to quote this one to the ebike naysayers out there.

Mambat

May 16, 2019, 11:19 AM

rad dude, i guess you're used to getting comments from peanut gallery!

 

is this the bike your kid has got?

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/za/bikes-stance-eplus-2019

 

This was the "blank canvas"..................

 

I chose Giant over Spez Levo as the geometry and sizing was more compact.

My son is only 130cm and a feather weight.

Then the serial modifier in me blossomed :clap:

Pike fork (130/160 travel adjust) - I immediately changed the heavy standard Suntour fork for a Reba but he was killing that fork, so it was a move to the pike.

New wheelset with better hub pickup. Standard giant hub is crap.

Dirtjump seat so he can get a better standover height.

35mm stem

Proper tyres

And dont forget the Deathgrips :thumbup:

Its a proper little shredder bike now!

Patchelicious

May 16, 2019, 11:20 AM

five flaming chillies for this Dad of the year candidate. I'm going to quote this one to the ebike naysayers out there.

Him being a good dad is not an argument that is applicable to all eBikers.

 

Unless you yourself are being a cool dad, you cant use his awesome dadness as yours.

Mambat

May 16, 2019, 11:23 AM

A far more intelligent than me mate of mine quoted this when in discussion around e-Bikes...

 

The ones who dance are thought mad amongst those who could not hear the music.

Mambat

May 16, 2019, 11:23 AM

Him being a good dad is not an argument that is applicable to all eBikers.

 

Unless you yourself are being a cool dad, you cant use his awesome dadness as yours.

 

I give him full rights and permission.............go forth and spread the word!

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