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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

Thor Buttox

Jun 12, 2018, 2:13 PM

I have not ridden an e-bike myself but I have spoken to someone* who has and their response after the test ride was "Dammit man, that's like cheating!!"

 

* That someone rode competitive DH for a few seasons at the sharp end of our local DH scene and took his training really seriously

Change 'e-bike' to 'sex robot', and 'competitive DH' to 'human partner' and you realise where our species is heading.

 

 

 

Edit, edit: fatuous argument font implied

Duane_Bosch

Jun 12, 2018, 2:21 PM

Change 'e-bike' to 'sex robot', and 'competitive DH' to 'human partner' and ou realise where our species is heading.

No man. People riding e bikes speaks nothing of the "demise" of our species. If anything they will take us out of our cars more. Saw LOADS of grannies on E-Bikes in Italy out and about. Most likely they be holed up in a flat somewhere if it wasn't for them.

 

E-Bikes are LOADS of fun to ride. I agree with others that racing them is stupid. But they are a LOT of fun.

 

2 hours with a fully charged Levo at Tokai on a Sunday arvo is a recipe for massive fun.

IH8MUD

Jun 12, 2018, 2:29 PM

No man. People riding e bikes speaks nothing of the "demise" of our species. If anything they will take us out of our cars more.

 

E-Bikes are LOADS of fun to ride. I agree with others that racing them is stupid. But they are a LOT of fun. 

Wanking is also  "loads" of fun . . . .     :devil:

But it's not the real thing.  :ph34r:

Just like E-bikes. 

Thor Buttox

Jun 12, 2018, 2:30 PM

No man.

 

E-Bikes are LOADS of fun to ride. I agree with others that racing them is stupid. But they are a LOT of fun.

Ah, but have YOU tried a sex robot?

 

(Sorry... Just can't understand the lads ^^^^ who can't understand that we have all pretty much solved the situation on about page 6 of this thread :))

Duane_Bosch

Jun 12, 2018, 2:31 PM

Ah, but have YOU tried a sex robot?

 

Not yet....

shaper

Jun 12, 2018, 2:34 PM

No man. People riding e bikes speaks nothing of the "demise" of our species. If anything they will take us out of our cars more.

 

E-Bikes are LOADS of fun to ride. I agree with others that racing them is stupid. But they are a LOT of fun.

The crux of the discussion and the operative word "FUN"... hence why all I think are happy with guys being on ebikes on the roads and on the trails, having FUN enjoying the trails and/or touring.

 

But it seems those guys who have them for fun soon have a mindset change probably because how fast and how far they can go with very little effort and now want to race with the guys who put the time and effort in to push themselves to go that far and fast!!

 

So when you say NO to them being in races..... that's when the toys get thrown !!

Duane_Bosch

Jun 12, 2018, 2:43 PM

 

 

But it seems those guys who have them for fun soon have a mindset change probably because how fast and how far they can go with very little effort and now want to race with the guys who put the time and effort in to push themselves to go that far and fast!!

 

So when you say NO to them being in races..... that's when the toys get thrown !!

I don't want to get too deeply involved in the argument.

 

But how are you "racing" an e bike? It's retarded to even contemplate. I rode from the parking lot to the mast at Tokai in under 40 minutes. With very little effort. And that included a little chat with Mark and taking a few snappies on the way up. I think Darren Lil's KOM is 44 minutes. How could I POSSIBLY compare my cruise up there to his efforts?

 

But DAMN it was fun.

 

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Eldron

Jun 12, 2018, 2:47 PM

I don't want to get too deeply involved in the argument.

 

But how are you "racing" an e bike? It's retarded to even contemplate. I rode from the parking lot to the mast at Tokai in under 40 minutes. With very little effort. And that included a little chat with Mark and taking a few snappies on the way up. I think Darren Lil's KOM is 44 minutes. How could I POSSIBLY compare my cruise up there to his efforts?

 

But DAMN it was fun.

 

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Damnit. Now you've gone and ended the thread. That is no fun at all!

Duane_Bosch

Jun 12, 2018, 2:49 PM

Damnit. Now you've gone and ended the thread. That is no fun at all!

I'm sure someone will poke holes in your argument by saying a bike with DI2 is a motorbike or some such nonsense.

 

OH!

Thor Buttox

Jun 12, 2018, 3:13 PM

I don't want to get too deeply involved in the argument.

 

But how are you "racing" an e bike? It's retarded to even contemplate. I rode from the parking lot to the mast at Tokai in under 40 minutes. With very little effort. And that included a little chat with Mark and taking a few snappies on the way up. I think Darren Lil's KOM is 44 minutes. How could I POSSIBLY compare my cruise up there to his efforts?

 

But DAMN it was fun.

 

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At some point someone comes along from the top tail of the bell curve who makes maturity and common sense seem like a reasonable alternative. Damn you!
Patchelicious

Jun 12, 2018, 4:45 PM

Wanking is also "loads" of fun . . . . :devil:

But it's not the real thing. :ph34r:

Just like E-bikes.

Wait till you try an eWank machine. You will beat all your previous manual KUMs and you will easily be able to keep up with those guys who are clocking 12-16 hard hours a week on PornHub.
G e r h a r d Odendaal

Jun 12, 2018, 5:11 PM

Ebikes are awesome and a nice training tool for recovery rides.

EZRider

Jun 12, 2018, 5:31 PM

It is a bike. With a motor. So.....bare with me here. It's a bike plus a motor.....bike + motor...bike motor......bikemotor......motorbike!

 

Just because it's pedal assist and can offer "only" 250w doesn't magically make it a bicycle.

 

I guess if you want to be correct then you can call it a motorbicycle.

 

Says the man flogging the man that is flogging the horse.

It is a motorbike.... just a very slow (read k@k) one!

 

My problem with the ebikers at Sani was the riders were poor at “shredding the trail” and after getting ahead with their extra watts were slow on the track.

Most MTBers have spent a few years working up to multi day events and learned a few skills along the way.

 

On the mountain? Sure, whatever makes you happy. On a race? If you must. Just stay out of my way if you use your engine to pass me on the hill.

Hairy

Jun 13, 2018, 7:28 AM

Ah, but have YOU tried a sex robot?

 

(Sorry... Just can't understand the lads ^^^^ who can't understand that we have all pretty much solved the situation on about page 6 of this thread :))

there "may" have been that one time when the wife had me dress up like robocop ... does that count in anyway ...........

Shebeen

Jun 13, 2018, 8:32 AM

Let's run a quick poll...

 

Who spotted the Crocodile Dundee reference and who didn't?

 

If you took that post seriously I recommend you go out and socialise more.

ok, I'll join that poll.

I didn't spot the "mate that's not a knife, this is a knife" jibe, because you've made the same "joke" about five times on this thread before. Who tells the same joke to an audience more than three times?

 

I can see you're bright enough to see the difference between a pedal assist Ebike(what we're talking about here) and a motorbike(electric or stink). By continually referring to them as motorbikes you're actually just stirring.

 

If you think they are more like a motorbike than a bicycle, you either haven't ridden one or are just stirring. I'm guessing you've had more than enough opportunity in Denmark for the first not to be the case.

 

Now you're a smart guy, pretty good at catching the mood and opinions and in general a great dude to have on the forum. Here we have a complex issue (50 odd pages of mostly on topic posts shows you that it's not a black and white issue), but since you are in one corner that's your opinion finish and klaar, but the grey area is where the actual debate is. I don't know why you want to keep adding an extreme view to a debate - it won't advance it.

 

Never thought there would be so much hate for people riding bicycles without medical doping involved.

Tony datoy

Jun 13, 2018, 8:46 AM

After migrating from a Pyga OneTen to a Turbo Levo FSR 6 Fattie earlier this year I have been shown the middle finger more times than I care, which I don’t.

 

When people say ebike, they usually mean Pedelec. There are technical and legal differences between a pedelec and an ebike.

 

Pedelecs (pedal electric cycles) are cycles that assist the rider’s pedaling effort with a battery/ electric motor delivering up to 250 watts assisted power at a speed of up to 25 km/h. There are many other different types of electric bikes with different ways of activating the electric assist and they all fall outside of the definition of a pedelec.

 

Pedelec’s are designed to augment human power and not replace it. Assistance only comes on when you pedal and it makes pedaling easier. Assistance automatically turns off when you stop pedaling; there is simply no throttle present. These amazing bicycles use pedal assist which runs in the background delivering smooth assistance whilst cycling with the option of a little boost to get up a steep section of trail where challenged individuals would normally have to get off and push. This can be seen to be advantageous to the other cyclists as it mitigates bottlenecks.

 

You can adjust the level of assistance from no assistance to a great deal of assistance so don’t take it for granted that everyone on a pedelec is at full boost all the time; I spend most of the time at 20% which basically compensates for the additional weight.

 

At a certain speed assistance is cut out; 25 km/h is the limit. Most bicycle riders can reach speed higher than 25 km/h for a limited time without much effort.

 

The same people who pioneered mountain-biking in South Africa are now in their 50s and 60s, and we still like to ride our bikes. Pedelecs allows us to continue to do something that we’ve always loved to do despite the physical challenges that come with age; something that younger folks are not going to get. My pedelec will extend my mountain biking by another 15 years.

 

In my opinion the limited speed and power of pedelecs makes them okay to use on trails with other cyclists, however I do not agree with mixing then up with other cyclists in races unless they are grouped in a different class without interfering with the other cyclists on the race day.

Shebeen

Jun 13, 2018, 8:48 AM

My bad, your opinion has actually moved with the thread. and you have ridden one!

Just stop calling them motorbikes and we can get along just fine.

 

from mild disgust for ebikes and especially their riders

Here in Copenhagen e-bikes are scorned by riders! The old and invalid use them and then only if they're really old and really invalidded. Oh and mailman. In Denmark old people *** you out if you give them your seat on thr bus. I like that. A lot.

E-bikes should be "last resort" in my opinion. How farkon soft has society got that people "need" ebikes? Very few people actually need ebikes. They're just farkin soft.

 

 

to a general acceptance that they are useful, but not really understanding why one would ride them.

 

 

I have nothing against using e-bike to fill in for handicaps/weaknesses  - allowing older people to remain cyclists, extend range of people wanting to ride to work, allowing special needs people to be cyclists but I draw the line at fit/healthy cyclists being lazy and/or simply wanting to go faster.

 

I really don't get it. If you want to go really fast buy a motorbike. If you like downhills then hit actual downhills with a shuttle.

 

This whole "oh I like the downhills but couldn't arsed to ride the uphills so I plan on getting an ebike to go and shred the descents on the local trails" thing fuddles my brains.

 

All my own opinion of course - I'm all for anyone doing whatever they want as long as it doesn't interfere with other people doing what they want. I guess that means I'll never own one (until I'm oooold) and would prefer to not have them on the trails. Logic dictates that they should be allowed on the trails as long as they aren't powerful enough to rip up trail motox style and the riders don't roost and/or tear past people at stupid/dangerous speed.

 

to, I'm cool with Ebikes, just don't race them.

We're on thw same page - I'm all for ebikes. More choice is always better! Just not in races...

I've ridden a few and they're cool but I prefer bicycles for cycling and motorbikes for going fast.

In general I see most "crossover" products as a compromise.

 

 

 

I know quoting someone over time is cherrypicking and unfair, and I'm damn sure my words will contradict myself here too. So my opinion (for now at least):

*ebikes are a really awesome mix of technologies in one package

*they are bicycles

*they get more people riding bikes, and that can only be a good thing

*they are here to stay, we will need to learn to deal with them.

*there are chops in every segment of society, the population of ebike owners will be no different

*they should not be raced against unassisted bikes for time. if there are enough give them a category. This is not straightforward, but not impossible. I don't think cycling should ever be an exclusionary sport. If piet van staden @ 130kgs buys an ebike and gets fit, I don't think he should need to buy another bike to enjoy a mtb race experience. He just mustn't expect to get an official finish and shouldn't be a d!ck about it.

 

I don't own one (yet), but the way it is going I think many people will come back in 2/3/15 years time and wonder why they were so against them. Not everyone, of course.

Patchelicious

Jun 13, 2018, 8:52 AM

 

*ebikes are a really awesome mix of technologies in one package

*they are bicycles

*they get more people riding bikes, and that can only be a good thing

*they are here to stay, we will need to learn to deal with them.

*there are chops in every segment of society, the population of ebike owners will be no different

*they should not be raced against unassisted bikes for time. 

 

This is what general census seems to be... not sure why people like arguing on sementics when they are actually agreeing on the important fundamental issues.

Headshot

Jun 13, 2018, 8:53 AM

so, bare with your own logic for a second

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bicycle + electric shifting =  electric bike?

uh mean it has a servo motor, so it's actually an electric motorbike?

 

flogging a dead horse is pointless. Pointing out to the man that he is doing something pointless, i suppose does become futile after a while too. Think about that one for a second.

Clutching at straws and flogging your own dead pony?

 

The fact is that the industry has attempted to make motorised bikes cool by calling them "E" . They are in reality, that is, plain English, Motor-bicycles. 

Headshot

Jun 13, 2018, 9:06 AM

The same people who pioneered mountain-biking in South Africa are now in their 50s and 60s, and we still like to ride our bikes. Pedelecs allows us to continue to do something that we’ve always loved to do despite the physical challenges that come with age; something that younger folks are not going to get. My pedelec will extend my mountain biking by another 15 years.

 

Not sure what being in your 50's or 60's has to do with needing an eBike? I fall into the 50 something bracket as do several friends. We happily still ride our bikes up hills, do marathons and enduro's. To me an E Bike is a bit like going for the Zimmer Frame or wheel chair option. if old age is your justification of course. :-) 

 

In fact, they make riding and having fun easier for all ages - most of the people I have seen on them don't fit into the age category you mention and I see plenty of people in that category on normal bikes. Do they make kids eBikes? Would help ease them into cycling up hills I reckon.

Hairy

Jun 13, 2018, 9:47 AM

The same people who pioneered mountain-biking in South Africa are now in their 50s and 60s, and we still like to ride our bikes. Pedelecs allows us to continue to do something that we’ve always loved to do despite the physical challenges that come with age; something that younger folks are not going to get. My pedelec will extend my mountain biking by another 15 years.

 

Not sure what being in your 50's or 60's has to do with needing an eBike? I fall into the 50 something bracket as do several friends. We happily still ride our bikes up hills, do marathons and enduro's. To me an E Bike is a bit like going for the Zimmer Frame or wheel chair option. if old age is your justification of course. :-) 

 

In fact, they make riding and having fun easier for all ages - most of the people I have seen on them don't fit into the age category you mention and I see plenty of people in that category on normal bikes. Do they make kids eBikes? Would help ease them into cycling up hills I reckon.

Something I too have noticed.

 

When I next pop into a rather trendy bike shop in town (Who told me they sell more motorbikes vs pedal bikes as of late) I will ask them the general age group and fitness level buying up the snazzy motorbikes on offer....what get's me chuckling is that you can buy the motor bikes on higher purchase like any other motorised vehicle (sure you can buy the pedal bikes too on HP, but this still makes me chuckle)

Escapee..

Jun 13, 2018, 9:58 AM

After migrating from a Pyga OneTen to a Turbo Levo FSR 6 Fattie earlier this year I have been shown the middle finger more times than I care, which I don’t.

 

When people say ebike, they usually mean Pedelec. There are technical and legal differences between a pedelec and an ebike.

 

Pedelecs (pedal electric cycles) are cycles that assist the rider’s pedaling effort with a battery/ electric motor delivering up to 250 watts assisted power at a speed of up to 25 km/h. There are many other different types of electric bikes with different ways of activating the electric assist and they all fall outside of the definition of a pedelec.

 

Pedelec’s are designed to augment human power and not replace it. Assistance only comes on when you pedal and it makes pedaling easier. Assistance automatically turns off when you stop pedaling; there is simply no throttle present. These amazing bicycles use pedal assist which runs in the background delivering smooth assistance whilst cycling with the option of a little boost to get up a steep section of trail where challenged individuals would normally have to get off and push. This can be seen to be advantageous to the other cyclists as it mitigates bottlenecks.

 

You can adjust the level of assistance from no assistance to a great deal of assistance so don’t take it for granted that everyone on a pedelec is at full boost all the time; I spend most of the time at 20% which basically compensates for the additional weight.

 

At a certain speed assistance is cut out; 25 km/h is the limit. Most bicycle riders can reach speed higher than 25 km/h for a limited time without much effort.

 

The same people who pioneered mountain-biking in South Africa are now in their 50s and 60s, and we still like to ride our bikes. Pedelecs allows us to continue to do something that we’ve always loved to do despite the physical challenges that come with age; something that younger folks are not going to get. My pedelec will extend my mountain biking by another 15 years.

 

In my opinion the limited speed and power of pedelecs makes them okay to use on trails with other cyclists, however I do not agree with mixing then up with other cyclists in races unless they are grouped in a different class without interfering with the other cyclists on the race day.

 

So you are just using the power to compensate for the weight?

 

If so why dont you just get a lighter bike, as in one without an engine?

Headshot

Jun 13, 2018, 10:05 AM

So you are just using the power to compensate for the weight?

 

If so why dont you just get a lighter bike, as in one without an engine?

Yes, there is a logic failure there, or a big fat fib.

 

If I ride an eBike, I damn well want to go fast up hill, not at the same speed as my ordinary bike.

Rigardt@Scott

Jun 13, 2018, 10:10 AM

You can adjust the level of assistance from no assistance to a great deal of assistance so don’t take it for granted that everyone on a pedelec is at full boost all the time; I spend most of the time at 20% which basically compensates for the additional weight.

 

I don't buy that. I've spent many hours on an ebike now, and at 20% assistant I get to the top of Helderberg in 30mins with relative ease compared to 50mins on my normal bike going flat out... No setting on an ebike just compensates for weight.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Jun 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

I don't buy that. I've spent many hours on an ebike now, and at 20% assistant I get to the top of Helderberg in 30mins with relative ease compared to 50mins on my normal bike going flat out... No setting on an ebike just compensates for weight.

And that Helderberg hill is a *** one. 

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