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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

Headshot

Jun 12, 2018, 9:30 AM

I think Bike Hub needs to look at a third website. After all they don't expect us to hob nob with trail runners and gave them their little piece of cyberspace to moan about cyclists and plan their runs on the best bona fide mtb trails they can find. How about "eBike Hub" ? Then we can moan about the eBikes in peace and vice versa. 

Headshot

Jun 12, 2018, 9:31 AM

There is a place for anyone!

This is also the guy who used his commentary position at the Epic to tell everyone how a Lefty fork wss unbalanced and therefore bad at finish line sprints  ... Bwahahahahahaha

Eldron

Jun 12, 2018, 9:39 AM

This is also the guy who used his commentary position at the Epic to tell everyone how a Lefty fork wss unbalanced and therefore bad at finish line sprints  ... Bwahahahahahaha

 

Hahaha I remember that. Apparently you also have to "lean right" a little bit to make up for the Lefty.

 

Ahh Sauser - stick to racing bikes...

Eldron

Jun 12, 2018, 9:43 AM

There is a place for anyone!

 

I'm not surprised Spesh are one of the leading ebrands - their clientele's waistlines and egos are perfect for ebikes!

 

Two hates in one line. I just need to see this guy on top of a Spesh ebike and my Hateworld Trilogy will be complete  :clap:

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AllAboutRides

Jun 12, 2018, 9:55 AM

This is also the guy who used his commentary position at the Epic to tell everyone how a Lefty fork wss unbalanced and therefore bad at finish line sprints  ... Bwahahahahahaha

 

hahahaahahaha!! I remember that, but still........there is a place for anyone, as long as you enjoy the ride and dont steal strava segments, all good! LOL!

mjacres

Jun 12, 2018, 10:20 AM

I don’t really understand all the animosity towards ebikes. The more people out there the better. It’s great for the sport.

 

I don’t have any particular interest in being on one right now, I still enjoy the challenge of pushing myself as hard as possible and I am fortunate enough that I can.

 

I have ridden an ebike and it is pretty awesome. Particularly on the decents. All that extra weight is amazing.

 

Let the ebikers ride their bikes. We’re all happy on our rides. The negativity towards ebikes is totally unecessary. Isn’t mountain biking biking about carving up sweet trails and having a beer afterwards?

Hairy

Jun 12, 2018, 11:02 AM

I'm not surprised Spesh are one of the leading ebrands - their clientele's waistlines and egos are perfect for ebikes!

 

Two hates in one line. I just need to see this guy on top of a Spesh ebike and my Hateworld Trilogy will be complete  :clap:

Nah .. .he is more of a Trek rider

 

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Hairy

Jun 12, 2018, 11:04 AM

hahahaahahaha!! I remember that, but still........there is a place for anyone, as long as you enjoy the ride and dont steal strava segments, all good! LOL!

And the Big S pay his salary .... so he will ride what they want him to and he will love it ... even if he doesn't :P

SwissVan

Jun 12, 2018, 11:04 AM

guess it depends if you praat die taal or not.

I'm ok with it dude..

"sticks and stones" :thumbup:

 

 

PS.. ever ridden one?

I highly recommend it if not.

just once ... just for that one day of a lot of extra fun

Listeeen....

 

I’m busy working on converting from 26” and 3 x chain rings to 29” and 1 x

 

So don’t come here and complicate things.

Thank you ????

 

????

SwissVan

Jun 12, 2018, 11:06 AM

guess it depends if you praat die taal or not.

I'm ok with it dude..

"sticks and stones" :thumbup:

 

 

PS.. ever ridden one?

I highly recommend it if not.

just once ... just for that one day of a lot of extra fun

Btw.... no have not

Scared I’ll like it

Chingy182

Jun 12, 2018, 11:20 AM

Lots to consider when reading both sides of the argument on this thread.

 

My personal feel to this is each to his own.

On an E-bike you just don't have any bragging rights on completing events, etc. I would perhaps go as far as saying that you should not get a finishers medal.

Don't go chasing down strava segments.

 

I think E-bikers in races should be strapped up with a Go-Pro so they can film footage of the riders in the event (thus acting more like a film crew capacity similar to that other dude in the Cape Epic on an E-bike filming the riders)

L.T.G

Jun 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

 Scared I’ll like it

you won't...

you'd love it. ^_^

pity you're on Zug...

would like to introduce you to one

L.T.G

Jun 12, 2018, 11:32 AM

 

 

I think E-bikers in races should be strapped up with a Go-Pro  

What I do on most of my rides.

If in a group it helps to increase my "photo bank" with shots I'd normally not get or have time to of other riders.

That being said, when not riding up ahead or catching up after photo'ing, I ride with the Levo off or at the most on Eco, which I've set at 10% power, just to take the edge off the weight a bit. 

Goodbadugly

Jun 12, 2018, 11:41 AM

Lots to consider when reading both sides of the argument on this thread.

 

My personal feel to this is each to his own.

On an E-bike you just don't have any bragging rights on completing events, etc. I would perhaps go as far as saying that you should not get a finishers medal.

Don't go chasing down strava segments.

 

I think E-bikers in races should be strapped up with a Go-Pro so they can film footage of the riders in the event (thus acting more like a film crew capacity similar to that other dude in the Cape Epic on an E-bike filming the riders)

Strap on?

Shebeen

Jun 12, 2018, 11:51 AM

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

 

 

 

That's not an ebike - THIS is an ebike.

 

 

It's the evolution of the ebike - you don't even have to "pedal assist" this one!

maybe go back and reread the article again, or just keep flogging your horse - I'm sure it twitched.

Eldron

Jun 12, 2018, 11:57 AM

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

 

 

 

maybe go back and reread the article again, or just keep flogging your horse - I'm sure it twitched.

 

 

It is a bike. With a motor.   So.....bare with me here. It's a bike plus a motor.....bike + motor...bike motor......bikemotor......motorbike!

 

Just because it's pedal assist and can offer "only" 250w doesn't magically make it a bicycle. 

 

I guess if you want to be correct then you can call it a motorbicycle.

 

Says the man flogging the man that is flogging the horse.

Shebeen

Jun 12, 2018, 12:19 PM

It is a bike. With a motor.   So.....bare with me here. It's a bike plus a motor.....bike + motor...bike motor......bikemotor......motorbike!

 

Just because it's pedal assist and can offer "only" 250w doesn't magically make it a bicycle. 

 

I guess if you want to be correct then you can call it a motorbicycle.

 

Says the man flogging the man that is flogging the horse.

so, bare with your own logic for a second

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bicycle + electric shifting =  electric bike?

uh mean it has a servo motor, so it's actually an electric motorbike?

 

flogging a dead horse is pointless. Pointing out to the man that he is doing something pointless, i suppose does become futile after a while too. Think about that one for a second.

Eldron

Jun 12, 2018, 12:19 PM

Okay before this gets totally out of hand let's add some maths.

 

The Turbo Levo has 504 watt-hours of range and can add a maximum of 530 watts.

 

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stories/the-power-to-ride-more-trails

 

To put that in perspective - Chris Froome used about 400w to ride away from Tommy D at the Giro. 530 watts is an enormous amount of power for a pro rider - it's an insane amount for a weekender. 

 

I'd hazard a guess that the average rider puts out around 252 watts for a 2 hour race (mainly because it makes doing the mathematics easy!). This means the Levo can match that making you twice as fast as normal (2 hours at 252w makes up the 504watt-hour range in the quoted numbers).

 

Ebikes are not a "little faster" or "pedal assist" - they're in a different league or "double pedal".

 

Like I said - ride what you like but race what is fair.

Eldron

Jun 12, 2018, 12:23 PM

so, bare with your own logic for a second

 

bicycle + electric shifting =  electric bike?

uh mean it has a servo motor, so it's actually an electric motorbike?

 

flogging a dead horse is pointless. Pointing out to the man that he is doing something pointless, i suppose does become futile after a while too. Think about that one for a second.

 

Given that the motor powers the shifting not the bicycle I'd say you're clutching at straws.

M L

Jun 12, 2018, 1:00 PM

In the year 19voertsek when I wrote st.10, we were not allowed to use pocket calculators. 

Watching TV would shrink your brain.

Exercise was good for you.

We competed to see who was the strongest. Not the weakest.

"Ag shame" was seen as an insult.

Competition was seen as a good thing.

If you loose a fight after school behind the rugby field, you had to go back the next day not to loose face.

When I got 6 of the best from the headmaster, my father also added a few strokes if he found out. For putting him to shame.

"Man up".

 

How things have changed.

In primary schools an academical top 10 was discontinued in the lower grades. Too much competition they say.

If Jannie did not pass his exams in 1975, his backside burned. Now the teacher gets fired.

We really did not need viagra. More like blue vitriol.

And men must come in touch with their feminine side.

 

What I am trying too say is things change. We can resist. But change will happen. Like pocket calculators, TV, human rights and getting in touch with your feminine side.

 

This is not really a rant. Nostalgia on a era gone by.

I won't be surprised if ebikes are allowed to compete in races in the future.

Good point. Change is not only going to happen, but often necessary.

 

I don't know. I can understand why ebikes shouldn't be allowed in races with mtbs.

 

What I don't get is the hate towards ebikes.

 

Reminds me of res in varsity where guys cling desperately to the past as they are afraid of change and afraid that new res members will lead to less camaraderie. You don't fix change with aggression and fear. 

 

Also seems quite narcissistic if you can't tolerate ebikes on mtb trails.

 

Ebikes are an asset to mtbing as a whole. Why?

 

1 - They are expensive to buy and expensive to maintain and thus help your LBS to keep their doors open

2 - Increased demand for ebikes means increasing demand for all MTBs (advertising as well as a trickle down effect whereby you ride an ebike now but might buy a mtb in the future)

3 - They are better for the planet than motorbikes or cars

4 - They have great potential to relieve congestion (already starting to realise in Europe)

5 - They can save you time (cycle to a grocery store or to work)

6 - They encourage people to get outdoors (if you have knee problems then even walking is a becomes a massive feat)

7 - They get those on the periphery of mtb'ing, into mtb'ing - if I am so overweight that I am embarrassed to jog, then an ebike will be more healthy than walking (physically and mentally)

8 - Continuing on point 5, they are good for relationships and friendships (my spouse, mother, old father or overweight friend can mtb with me)

 

Anyway. Lets all hate on the ebikers and let them know by our attitude and banter that we really find their use of an electric bike, for transport or recreational purposes, absolutely disgraceful. 

Shebeen

Jun 12, 2018, 1:47 PM

Okay before this gets totally out of hand let's add some maths.

 

The Turbo Levo has 504 watt-hours of range and can add a maximum of 530 watts.

 

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stories/the-power-to-ride-more-trails

 

To put that in perspective - Chris Froome used about 400w to ride away from Tommy D at the Giro. 530 watts is an enormous amount of power for a pro rider - it's an insane amount for a weekender. 

 

I'd hazard a guess that the average rider puts out around 252 watts for a 2 hour race (mainly because it makes doing the mathematics easy!). This means the Levo can match that making you twice as fast as normal (2 hours at 252w makes up the 504watt-hour range in the quoted numbers).

 

Ebikes are not a "little faster" or "pedal assist" - they're in a different league or "double pedal".

 

Like I said - ride what you like but race what is fair.

 

 

ok, fine let's use your logic again to show up a silly argument.

 

The ZERO DSR you posted, you know the "ebike" that is the same thing that the rest of us are talking about.

 

14.4kWh, or like about 28 more capacity than a turbo levo

~50kW, or like 100 times more powerful than a turbo levo

 

so not like "double pedal", but like 30 times pedal.

It's a pity you can't see how illogical your argument looks.

SwissVan

Jun 12, 2018, 1:55 PM

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

 

Listeeeeen Cousin ????

 

You are right, truth is they are faster, heavier than a bicycle and silent = Silent and deadly, worse than motorbikes.

 

The buggers sneak up on you very quickly and come flying past, heaven help you if one of them connect you while you are innocently riding / jogging along happily minding your own business.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

maybe go back and reread the article again, or just keep flogging your horse - I'm sure it twitched.

Eldron

Jun 12, 2018, 2:03 PM

ok, fine let's use your logic again to show up a silly argument.

 

The ZERO DSR you posted, you know the "ebike" that is the same thing that the rest of us are talking about.

 

14.4kWh, or like about 28 more capacity than a turbo levo

~50kW, or like 100 times more powerful than a turbo levo

 

so not like "double pedal", but like 30 times pedal.

It's a pity you can't see how illogical your argument looks.

Let's run a quick poll...

 

Who spotted the Crocodile Dundee reference and who didn't?

 

If you took that post seriously I recommend you go out and socialise more.

shaper

Jun 12, 2018, 2:05 PM

Given that the motor powers the shifting not the bicycle I'd say you're clutching at straws.

That is giving him some credit, as most of his arguments are weak and way off topic, with self justification to try to prove a non existent point........

Grebel

Jun 12, 2018, 2:05 PM

I have not ridden an e-bike myself but I have spoken to someone* who has and their response after the test ride was "Dammit man, that's like cheating!!"

 

* That someone rode competitive DH for a few seasons at the sharp end of our local DH scene and took his training really seriously

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