Yolande de Villiers sanctioned for anti-doping rule violation

Not naive actually. Why are you reading this thread? Are you thinking "Wow Yolande is a doper" ...............but you might be one as well? 

 

I don't care what medicine your using or why your using it but if you want to really be fair to those around you then you should be either checking your meds or get the doctor to check it and apply for a TUE or change your stance regarding doping and say it's ok to dope.

I am thinking don't dope. I am thinking, that all cyclists that are sponsored, paid to race, no matter what age or category should know what they put in their bodies, and what they are not allowed to. The banned substance list is there because of them... not because of the people riding bottom 20% of the pack like me. 

Taking a substance for your normal health or a cold or flue, etc, as a weekend warrior (maybe doing 4 weekend races during a year), without knowing it's on the banned list, is NOT doping. There most definitely are grey areas. It's okay for a bottom of the pack (far behind midfield) to use his inhaler just to be breath; it's not okay for a podium fighter to use same thing if it's on the banned list. BTW - I won't have a problem IF they test me, and I am positive; I will gladly take the ban. It's not going to hurt me or anyone.  

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with anyone taking a banned performance enhancing substance knowingly (say for ex EPO), but I do differentiate between that and other substances which are ingredients in everyday over the counter medicines which is being used by someone doing a "race / weekend-ride-with-other-people". I don't go to a GP ever. Neither will I, just to check some meds I bought at Clicks, just to be able to do the trailseeker knowing I am 'clean', that happens to be on my doorstep that weekend. 

I will continue to judge the pro's that dope - they should know better. I don't have to. Yes, sure, if you see that as double standards, it's fine. I don't though. 

All hypothetical of-course - I personally don't do races and am fairly healthy.  

No you apply for an emergency TUE

 

Imagine if someone travelled from Europe and spent a boat load entering and getting to the Epic and then had a shellfish allergy or got stung by a bee the night after the first day..and then you really expect him to withdraw from the event?

Gen, as somebody that has been in the position I can tell you. Withdraw or apply for Emergency treatment TUE.

Now here is a cracker for you, I am highly allergic to bee stings and have been through immunization treatment. I have anti histamine and/or an epi pen with me most of the time.  

Another sport and a long time ago. 

I competed in SA Champs and finished on the podium, it was qualifier for World Champs. As I completed the event I was met by SAIDS and informed to do a drug control. While walking to Doping Control I was stung, in sight of doping control agent. Big dilemma, use any prohibited substances and DQ myself or not? No podium and no World Champs. 

I was lucky enough to be able to complete the doping control quickly enough before the severe reaction began and was then able to administer the required medicine and be monitored by race paramedics.  Tests came back all clean and all is well that ends well. 

I have subsequently be stung in an event took appropriate medical action, got to the nearest support station and informed them I has withdrawing and the reason for the withdrawal.

Anybody that has coughed a lung up for EPIC and are in a similar situation you have a choice. Race or do not race. If you choose to race, get tested and  have a positive without the requisite approvals. You are a doper, intent aside. Them be the rules, harsh or not.  

I'm just replying so as to repeat this post... because there are a few people on here that think the Oom shouldn't be allowed to ride his 7hour Cycle Challenge because he is a doper.     

 

The 60 yr old Oom and Brandon Stewart are two peas in a pod

 

Filthy filthy cheats everywhere 

AFAIK The Argus is not a UCI sanctioned event....so no....

I'm just replying so as to repeat this post... because there are a few people on here that think the Oom shouldn't be allowed to ride his 7hour Cycle Challenge because he is a doper.     

 

The 60 yr old Oom and Brandon Stewart are two peas in a pod

 

Filthy filthy cheats everywhere 

Did you miss my reply to that post?

So the 60yr old Oom riding a 7hour 94.7 must get a TUE for his heart meds...

 

That makes so much of sense 

Agreed.

Guys on the podium, and guys that are sponsored: test, get TUE, etc.

Guys finishing a 7 hour 94.7: do not care.

But where do we draw the line?  Do we draw it after the A batch?  After D?  And how do we consistently apply this across races?

Maybe the problem is in the 94.7 marketing.  It's a race -- a serious race with prize money -- at the pointy end, it's a carnival at the back end.  Maybe 94.7 should split between "race" and "grand fondo" and "carnival" events (possibly still on the same day.)

The back end of the 94.7 ignores a bunch of UCI rules on kit and equipment already.  I'm pretty sure the CHOC (and I support CHOC) ice cream bikes aren't UCI compliant.  They might as well ignore WADA.

You are of course 100% correct in what you are saying....most of us will agree, I know I do....but that logic does smack of double standards....what a fickle animal we are.....

It's not double standards for the simple reason there are in fact two categories... Amateurs and professionals.

Just because CSA fleeces us for a license, does not change the fact that 95% of us are there just to spin out the legs and enjoy the fresh air.

If you are a serious cyclist, you know the rules, you know to do your checks... if you are the old Oom entering the Cycle Challenge because it's better that kicking tyres around an age old home, I don't care the slightest that your blood pressure meds might be used to mask doping at the Tour de France, I'm just happy to see you out there getting healthy and living your life.

It's common sense, such a rare commodity these days

 

 

Just because CSA fleeces us for a license, does not change the fact that 95% of us are there just to spin out the legs and enjoy the fresh air.

 

 

It still makes you eligible to be tested....double standards to the max......

Yes, if your were tested you would have probably received a ban.

 

If you took the medicine and reported it and applied for a TUE then you would probably have been cleared because you had reason for taking the meds.

 

But you should not have been riding with a flue/cold. I know it's a lot of money to waste but surely your health is much more important.

Flippin scary stuff..

It begs the question then why do the Epic's official medics then have banned  medicines with them, and if they are handing them out at waterpoints shouldn't they be alerting the user or initiating the TUE?

By the way, I'd  never heard of Advil before, and definitely wasn't going to spend anytime Googling it!

And yes I know, I shouldn't have carried on riding,  but there was not a hope in hell I was going to give up..

Tom

AFAIK The Argus is not a UCI sanctioned event....so no....

The Argus(Cape Town Cycle Tour) is not the Cycle Challenge 

Agreed.

 

Guys on the podium, and guys that are sponsored: test, get TUE, etc.

Guys finishing a 7 hour 94.7: do not care.

 

But where do we draw the line?  Do we draw it after the A batch?  After D?  And how do we consistently apply this across races?

 

Maybe the problem is in the 94.7 marketing.  It's a race -- a serious race with prize money -- at the pointy end, it's a carnival at the back end.  Maybe 94.7 should split between "race" and "grand fondo" and "carnival" events (possibly still on the same day.)

 

The back end of the 94.7 ignores a bunch of UCI rules on kit and equipment already.  I'm pretty sure the CHOC (and I support CHOC) ice cream bikes aren't UCI compliant.  They might as well ignore WADA.

Everyone on Strava should be tested

Agreed.

 

Guys on the podium, and guys that are sponsored: test, get TUE, etc.

Guys finishing a 7 hour 94.7: do not care.

 

But where do we draw the line?  Do we draw it after the A batch?  After D?  And how do we consistently apply this across races?

 

Maybe the problem is in the 94.7 marketing.  It's a race -- a serious race with prize money -- at the pointy end, it's a carnival at the back end.  Maybe 94.7 should split between "race" and "grand fondo" and "carnival" events (possibly still on the same day.)

 

The back end of the 94.7 ignores a bunch of UCI rules on kit and equipment already.  I'm pretty sure the CHOC (and I support CHOC) ice cream bikes aren't UCI compliant.  They might as well ignore WADA.

They can just draw the line, we have a zillion rules for some of the most arb rubbish it is unbelievable... A Batch sounds good, would cover all the prize money chasers   

The Argus(Cape Town Cycle Tour) is not the Cycle Challenge 

Shows how little interest I actually take from some posts.....UCI 1.1 status....so you can tell your uncle that he would also be governed by the same rules.....

Shows how little interest I actually take from some posts.....UCI 1.1 status....so you can tell your uncle that he would also be governed by the same rules.....

Starting to play the man already... common tactic when one can't debate things on merit  

Have a nice day

R-squared, on 05 Feb 2016 - 10:57 AM, said:

Short-acting bronchodilators like 'Venteze' (salbutamol) ARE restricted - 1600 mcg (16 puffs) in one day - and only salbutamol can be used.  Long-acting bronchodilators are acceptable - formoterol ('Foradil') to a maximum of 54 mcg / day and salmeterol ('Serevent') if used according manufacturer's recommendations.  Inhaled corticosteroids are fine but no injected or oral are allowed.

 

 

No TUE needed for use of standard asthma treatment - just a declaration of use if tested.

I use venteze but only like 1 or perhaps 2 dosis a day.would I be banned?

Starting to play the man already... common tactic when one can't debate things on merit  

Have a nice day

Sorry...nice try...not my modus operandi every two minutes....but when I get bored I tend to half read some comments....Cycle Challenge Versus Argus in this case....petty childish or ridiculous analogies for the sake of arguing also barely constitutes any merit....lekker Vrydaggie vir jou....

Gen, as somebody that has been in the position I can tell you. Withdraw or apply for Emergency treatment TUE.

 

Now here is a cracker for you, I am highly allergic to bee stings and have been through immunization treatment. I have anti histamine and/or an epi pen with me most of the time.  

 

Another sport and a long time ago. 

I competed in SA Champs and finished on the podium, it was qualifier for World Champs. As I completed the event I was met by SAIDS and informed to do a drug control. While walking to Doping Control I was stung, in sight of doping control agent. Big dilemma, use any prohibited substances and DQ myself or not? No podium and no World Champs. 

 

I was lucky enough to be able to complete the doping control quickly enough before the severe reaction began and was then able to administer the required medicine and be monitored by race paramedics.  Tests came back all clean and all is well that ends well. 

 

I have subsequently be stung in an event took appropriate medical action, got to the nearest support station and informed them I has withdrawing and the reason for the withdrawal.

Anybody that has coughed a lung up for EPIC and are in a similar situation you have a choice. Race or do not race. If you choose to race, get tested and  have a positive without the requisite approvals. You are a doper, intent aside. Them be the rules, harsh or not.

Call yourself doper if you like but your scenarios are not the same as doping.

Doping is intent to cheat

Medicating yourself for quality of life or survival is NOT doping no matter how black and white people wish to paint it

Flippin scary stuff..

 

It begs the question then why do the Epic's official medics then have banned  medicines with them, and if they are handing them out at waterpoints shouldn't they be alerting the user or initiating the TUE?

 

 

That is a very good question.

That is a very good question.

Come on guys its been made easy enough. Click on the link and put in your medication. It only takes a couple of seconds and you can do it on your phone.

http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/app/

You don't need to know the detailed ingredients of your medication and you don't need a Doctor to help.

Common guys its been made easy enough. Click on the link and put in your medication. It only takes a couple of seconds and you can do it on your phone.

 

http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/app/

 

You don't need to know the detailed ingredients of your medication and you don't need a Doctor to help.

checked all my meds and i can say i am not a doper! But i didn't find anything on my dogs bob martins i sometimes take.

Flippin scary stuff..

 

It begs the question then why do the Epic's official medics then have banned  medicines with them, and if they are handing them out at waterpoints shouldn't they be alerting the user or initiating the TUE?

 

By the way, I'd  never heard of Advil before, and definitely wasn't going to spend anytime Googling it!

 

And yes I know, I shouldn't have carried on riding,  but there was not a hope in hell I was going to give up..

 

Tom

Not sure what they hand out but ultimately its the athletes responsibility to know what he can and cant take. Its the medics responsibility to look after you.

I agree a tho at the time its not possible to check "the list" and your priority is to finish.

Its reasonable to expect that they would not hand out banned medication, but this probably highlights someone else's earlier post about there simply being to much (possibly irrelevant) stuff on the banned list

checked all my meds and i can say i am not a doper! But i didn't find anything on my dogs bob martins i sometimes take.

That drug doesn't even require biological passport anomalies to root out the users. The testers just look for riders with the shiniest coats...

Next time you go to the vet, ask for chewable Rimadyl*. Dogs love that stuff...must be good.

*Use with corticosteroids is apparently not advised... 

Was going to ask this question,  but from a slightly different point of view. ..

 

Did the Epic a few years ago, and got myself a very decent cold by the Wednesday. . Was given panado by the medics to bring down the fever. On the Thursday at the waterpoint medic tents I was given Advil. 

 

So the question is what is the legality of this? If I had been tested would I have been banned?

 

And no, it didn't help my performance as we came 515th out of 520 something finishers!

 

Tom

Why don't you just admit it Tom you ARE a Doper

Why don't you just admit it Tom you ARE a Doper

Yip he is... starting a thread about him now. One standard for all cyclists, I don't care if you're an amateur or making a living from the sport...

All you filthy cheats are the same   

This is slightly off topic, but maybe a guideline around it. 

There is a list published with prohibited substances which is readily available. 

As an athlete, weekend warrior to superstar, it is your ultimate responsibility to know what goes into it. If you contravene anything on the list or in the rules of the event you could face a sanction. 

If you are caught, you will likely be sanctioned. Intent or lack thereof is not a mitigating circumstance. (in most cases, and certainly not worth relying on)

Some people are unlucky and some intentionally cheat, the rules cannot accommodate for this as it will create loop holes. 

Intent or not, your actions have consequences and the rules are straight forward.