Yolande de Villiers sanctioned for anti-doping rule violation

Not naive actually. Why are you reading this thread? Are you thinking "Wow Yolande is a doper" ...............but you might be one as well? 

 

I don't care what medicine your using or why your using it but if you want to really be fair to those around you then you should be either checking your meds or get the doctor to check it and apply for a TUE or change your stance regarding doping and say it's ok to dope.

Sometimes is takes me long to say what I want to say....then someone puts it all in to a nutshell...

Although your intent is good, its just impractical and a bit unrealistic. Imagine the race fees if everyone needs to be tested...they have a tough time catching just the elite pro's. The focus should be on them

It's not about everyone getting tested....read the post from HennieVR...

Exactly so you go through the hassle to check your meds and play fair. So how do you feel about the guy in front of you who might have taken an Advil for a snotty nose the morning of the race beating you? You might think ah but I finished 100th so no big deal but still that person has doped. There might be 90 other people in front of you that's also taken something on the banned list.

 

The playing field should be level. Rules are rules and we all have to play accordingly no matter if we are pro or weekend warrior.

Was going to ask this question,  but from a slightly different point of view. ..

Did the Epic a few years ago, and got myself a very decent cold by the Wednesday. . Was given panado by the medics to bring down the fever. On the Thursday at the waterpoint medic tents I was given Advil. 

So the question is what is the legality of this? If I had been tested would I have been banned?

And no, it didn't help my performance as we came 515th out of 520 something finishers!

Tom

OK so the thread has actually run it's course once the hubbers start fighting among each other .... doubt we'll see anything more of interest 

Waar bly jy ?

OK so the thread has actually run it's course once the hubbers start fighting among each other .... doubt we'll see anything more of interest 

I wonder if Admin has stats on how many replies it takes before a thread reaches the point of no return and "that" moment when you know its no longer worth reading?

Waar bly jy ?

As 'he who cannot be named' would say Alberhoughton my friend 

As 'he who cannot be named' would say Alberhoughton my friend 

Nee....jy bly stil....dis Vrydag.....  

It's not about everyone getting tested....read the post from HennieVR...

Without testing / policing everybody its a bit of a pipe dream don't you think, making it fair across all participants in a race.  

Again focus where the issue is....the pro's 

it wont be a hub thread if there isn't fighting among the plebs

The thing that bugs me about all these doping cases is how we, the consumers (who are the reason that sponsors exist) and fans (who are the reason why sports and sports administration bodies exist) get starved of information. We get fed impoverished versions of the story from both sides: the guilty parties and the entities doing the enforcement. They tell us virtually nothing. So we're left to make up our own minds in the field of public discourse. We deserve better.

Nee....jy bly stil....dis Vrydag.....  

off topic, my broer het dit vir sy seuntjie geleer, ek sit nou die dag aan etens tafel toe vra my broer vir sy laaitie, waar bly mamma, toe antwoord hy, mamma bly stil. ekt gedog ek gaan dood gaan van die lag.

Inhalers like Venteze are not controlled btw

Short-acting bronchodilators like 'Venteze' (salbutamol) ARE restricted - 1600 mcg (16 puffs) in one day - and only salbutamol can be used.  Long-acting bronchodilators are acceptable - formoterol ('Foradil') to a maximum of 54 mcg / day and salmeterol ('Serevent') if used according manufacturer's recommendations.  Inhaled corticosteroids are fine but no injected or oral are allowed.

No TUE needed for use of standard asthma treatment - just a declaration of use if tested.

The thing that bugs me about all these doping cases is how we, the consumers (who are the reason that sponsors exist) and fans (who are the reason why sports and sports administration bodies exist) get starved of information. We get fed impoverished versions of the story from both sides: the guilty parties and the entities doing the enforcement. They tell us virtually nothing. So we're left to make up our own minds in the field of public discourse. We deserve better.

has anyone tweeted sasol for their opinion about their connections to doping now?

Without testing / policing everybody its a bit of a pipe dream don't you think, making it fair across all participants in a race.  

 

Again focus where the issue is....the pro's 

If I have to be honest....someone asks me "what irritates you the most....doping athletes or people with double standards" my answer would be the double standards...it almost sounds like this from some of the responses I have read "They can't dope because they are pro's but I can because I am not"

Heck.....I wouldn't be surprised if we get people doping just to even feature on Strava leader boards.....

off topic, my broer het dit vir sy seuntjie geleer, ek sit nou die dag aan etens tafel toe vra my broer vir sy laaitie, waar bly mamma, toe antwoord hy, mamma bly stil. ekt gedog ek gaan dood gaan van die lag.

Someone did that to me the other day....I also laughed MGA.....now I use it whenever I see a gap....

That's a false analogy, Hennie.

What is your argument, exactly? Are you proposing that rules on violations be relaxed for professionals or that amateurs be subjected to more stringent testing?

No, rules on violations for professionals should not be relaxed and testing for amateurs is not financially viable (but if testing on armatures would be done more frequently a lot more people will test positive because they don't care to check what they put in their bodies). 

My argument is simple: We cannot flame professional cyclist/athletes for doping if we as armatures dope ourselves. Yes we are on two different levels but we must all play according to the same rules. It's as simple as that. So check your meds and supplements, if they contain banned substances ask your doctor for alternatives or apply for a TEU.

Maybe if we as amateurs take anti doping more seriously then the pro's will notice it and also follow suit.

Without testing / policing everybody its a bit of a pipe dream don't you think, making it fair across all participants in a race.  

 

Again focus where the issue is....the pro's 

Ja i dunno... even amongst the rank and file it has benefits... If people know the rules are being enforced they tend to obey them and might think twice / take more care

Sure, the authorities should focus on the pointy end but the occasional test further down the pile wont do any harm.

If I have to be honest....someone asks me "what irritates you the most....doping athletes or people with double standards" my answer would be the double standards...it almost sounds like this from some of the responses I have read "They can't dope because they are pro's but I can because I am not"

Heck.....I wouldn't be surprised if we get people doping just to even feature on Strava leader boards.....

You not going to "fix" the world....people will  be people...

Start with the greater evil that is possible to fix

Ja i dunno... even amongst the rank and file it has benefits... If people know the rules are being enforced they tend to obey them and might think twice / take more care

 

Sure, the authorities should focus on the pointy end but the occasional test further down the pile wont do any harm.

Sure, I am just saying that 1 false test in the elite bunch is worth more than a positive in b-batch. Use the resources at your disposal wisely

You not going to "fix" the world....people will  be people...

 

Start with the greater evil that is possible to fix

That greater evil being every single one of us....it's simple...if we want change...let the cahnge begin within...

If I may quote another hubber 'HennieVR'

"Maybe if we as amateurs take anti doping more seriously then the pro's will notice it and also follow suit"

So i wouldnt say double standards, if a amateur purposely takes EPO (or what ever) to better himself i would put him in the same bracket as the pros that steal money form other cyclists. (or whatever sport)

But as amateur i say dont go read every medicine bottles little boekie and then go google everything and spend 2 days investigating the meds (and hopefully you ahve not died in those 2 days) before taking anything because you doing the trailseekers 20km funride this coming weekend.

but hey if thats double standards, i also eat the double whopper at burgerking...

edit, spelling

haha soup epic nazi

Was going to ask this question,  but from a slightly different point of view. ..

 

Did the Epic a few years ago, and got myself a very decent cold by the Wednesday. . Was given panado by the medics to bring down the fever. On the Thursday at the waterpoint medic tents I was given Advil. 

 

So the question is what is the legality of this? If I had been tested would I have been banned?

 

And no, it didn't help my performance as we came 515th out of 520 something finishers!

 

Tom

Yes, if your were tested you would have probably received a ban.

If you took the medicine and reported it and applied for a TUE then you would probably have been cleared because you had reason for taking the meds.

But you should not have been riding with a flue/cold. I know it's a lot of money to waste but surely your health is much more important.

Sorry Yolande that this had to happen to you!!

It is very unfortunate that the sport we love is in the state it is and that it has come to a point that things like this can happen to the honest ones and that they must pay for the real cheats out there.

The rules are the rules and we all have to follow them. Many people on here seem to think athletes are not human and they not allowed to make mistakes.

Worse thing is how people react...so many lies that the golden rule now is believe nobody and just go ahead and crucify.

The list of banned substances has gotten out of hand and it is not going to get easier. Half the stuff on it has no real effect on performance but if its linked to something that might be used to mask or might cause weight loss or or or...it goes on. 

But in the end it's all about cleaning up our sport......

So the 60yr old Oom riding a 7hour 94.7 must get a TUE for his heart meds...

 

That makes so much of sense 

I'm just replying so as to repeat this post... because there are a few people on here that think the Oom shouldn't be allowed to ride his 7hour Cycle Challenge because he is a doper.     

The 60 yr old Oom and Brandon Stewart are two peas in a pod

Filthy filthy cheats everywhere