Seyffert receives two year ban from competition

can you tell us the name of this app. I downloaded the Wada app and it wants the specific ingredients. Not so easy when you are sitting in a doctors rooms and they are prescribing stuff for you. And app whereby i can just type Neurofen etc would be very handy to me.

Drugfreesport.It's been around for a long time,I use it all the time and it's great.

http://www.cyclingsa.com/Article.aspx?uid=494

OK, looking at the Wikipedia description of Phentermine, I notice that it is an appetite suppressant. No performance-enhancing benefits are listed.

 

Why end someone's career because of this drug?

Why is it illegal?

Am I missing something?

Yes.

OK, looking at the Wikipedia description of Phentermine, I notice that it is an appetite suppressant. No performance-enhancing benefits are listed.

 

Why end someone's career because of this drug?

Why is it illegal?

Am I missing something?

They use this drug to mask the performance drugs that they use. The drug on its own will not help your performance. Shelck brother was banned last year for simmiliar drug

Drugfreesport.It's been around for a long time,I use it all the time and it's great.

 

http://www.cyclingsa...le.aspx?uid=494

edit: Am i being dof but how do i change my "store" to SA?

But, if its a scedule 5 drug for obesity, where is the doc that prescibed it to a 8% body fat person?

The doctor might have prescribed it for a fat friend or family member. Do you think his name was on the prescription...??? Never

 

 

 

They use this drug to mask the performance drugs that they use. The drug on its own will not help your performance. Shelck brother was banned last year for simmiliar drug

Do you really believe these guys obey the 'must have prescription for drug supply' rule?! They get them from dodgy chemists or suppliers. Reps have access to drugs as well. It could come from a whole host of places.

Allow me to clarify my position.

I am in no way defending doping.

But i do believe that not all offences are created equal.

Scenario one.

Lance Armstrong, years of lies and bribes and blatant cheating and disregard for the rules.

Scenario two.

Taking a sinumax tab a few days before an event to cope with a head cold. and not realising it is on the list.

Both are wrong, it is the athletes responsibility to know, but they are not equal.

Scenario 2 should still be taken to task, and in my opinion, that is the reason for lesser sentences over lifetime bans.

Savvy?

You see, that's just it, his name was probably not on it, so for who was it made out to, there are more guilty people than this one person in this one occurrence, so that 3rd party has to be sorted out as well.

Allow me to clarify my position.

 

I am in no way defending doping.

 

But i do believe that not all offences are created equal.

 

Scenario one.

 

Lance Armstrong, years of lies and bribes and blatant cheating and disregard for the rules.

 

Scenario two.

 

Taking a sinumax tab a few days before an event to cope with a head cold. and not realising it is on the list.

 

Both are wrong, it is the athletes responsibility to know, but they are not equal.

 

Scenario 2 should still be taken to task, and in my opinion, that is the reason for lesser sentences over lifetime bans.

 

Savvy?

Scenario 3

Athlete takes seemingly innocent substance used for a cold, sore throat, sore bum, weight loss, ect.... knowing full well its on the banned list but claims innocence when testing positive.

Humans are actually snakes on 2 legs and will abuse any system that offers softer sentences for certain circumstances.

There's only 2 options with doping positive tests:

1. Zero Tolerance

2. Keine Toleranz

Scenario 3

 

Athlete takes seemingly innocent substance used for a cold, sore throat, sore bum, weight loss, ect.... knowing full well its on the banned list but claims innocence when testing positive.

 

Humans are actually snakes on 2 legs and will abuse any system that offers softer sentences for certain circumstances.

 

 

There's only 2 options with doping positive tests:

 

1. Zero Tolerance

 

2. Keine Toleranz

Hence the need for an investigation.

Swiss, i am not in any way saying that a minor offence should be swept away, there must be repurcussions, but does a minor infringement deserve a lifetime ban as some are suggesting?

So since the winner of the Ride for Sight race was a druggie and has been banned, does this mean my seeding for that race will improve?

They use this drug to mask the performance drugs that they use. The drug on its own will not help your performance. Shelck brother was banned last year for simmiliar drug

What Surfer said

 

What Surfer said

Though it can mask other PED's, on it's own it can actually enhance performance, in a similar way to Ephedra. It's an Amphetamine.

Lots of high-horsing with this topic but I look at these drugs which are dubious performance enhancers and I wonder if things haven't gone too far?

 

Surely if someone wants to cheat he won't take appetite suppressants? EPO is the drug of choice in this sport and the drug that gives most people the most benefit. It is also impossible to detect outside the "glow". Yes, it is expensive and Phentermine is cheap (I imagine) but that's certainly not the motivation that drove Pieter to taking a diet pill. I imagine he took it 'cause he was feeling a bit tight in his pants and tries to eat less. He may even be unaware of the effects of high-carb diets and supplements on your appetite and the very stuff that fuels him is making him constantly hungry.

 

We could of course argue that he wanted to loose weight to win but I find it difficult to relate that to cheating. Boxers de-hydrate before weigh-in. Arguably cycling is not about the actual number on the scale and less weight is an advantage. However, if this was a calculated move and Pieter took one look at the list of nasty side-effects, many of which are counter-productive to cycling, he would have chosen another cheating drug, not Phentermine.

 

I think we're in madness territory.

I agree

this is what happens when the lynch mobs gather with axes and pitch forks. The cycling community needs to make up its mind and stop being led by media frenzy.

Do we wnat knee jerk reactions to every pill or a considered scientific approach? If we not careful, the consequence of todays lynching will be quite dire down the road.

The next step is gene manipulation and do we wont to go there cos that CANNOT be detected

Swiss, i am not in any way saying that a minor offence should be swept away, there must be repurcussions, but does a minor infringement deserve a lifetime ban as some are suggesting?

 

When I first came onto the hub many moons ago hubbers were discussing the same question and well here we are still.....

IMHO If the end goal is TRY end substance abuse / doping in sport, then Yes zero tolerance.

A pissy 2 year suspension or even less in some cases is not a significant deterrent.

EDIT: Maybe the banned substance list might need to revised.

"Do or do not,

there is no try errrhmmmm"

master Yoda

Guys, anyone who gos to Gym frequently, knows the Big Boy Bunch in the corner. Walk over there and hint at something and Walla! They can get anything for u. No script needed. It happens in all gyms. If it's on the list don't use it!!!!!!

Drug free are serious about this ****.

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Blood control number 9 for me this year. Drug-free making a big effort to keep our sport clean.

Lots of high-horsing with this topic but I look at these drugs which are dubious performance enhancers and I wonder if things haven't gone too far?

 

Surely if someone wants to cheat he won't take appetite suppressants? EPO is the drug of choice in this sport and the drug that gives most people the most benefit. It is also impossible to detect outside the "glow". Yes, it is expensive and Phentermine is cheap (I imagine) but that's certainly not the motivation that drove Pieter to taking a diet pill. I imagine he took it 'cause he was feeling a bit tight in his pants and tries to eat less. He may even be unaware of the effects of high-carb diets and supplements on your appetite and the very stuff that fuels him is making him constantly hungry.

 

We could of course argue that he wanted to loose weight to win but I find it difficult to relate that to cheating. Boxers de-hydrate before weigh-in. Arguably cycling is not about the actual number on the scale and less weight is an advantage. However, if this was a calculated move and Pieter took one look at the list of nasty side-effects, many of which are counter-productive to cycling, he would have chosen another cheating drug, not Phentermine.

 

I think we're in madness territory.

Phentermine is on itself not the problem (they do not take it for weight loss). It mask the real performance drug. If it did not mask the real performance drug, it would'nt have been on the list.

I don't think all these "substances" get added willy nilly to the list of banned products, they all have their purpose, would Phentermine be classified as a diuretic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diuretic

That's like sending little Johnny to the dunce corner for suspicion of not wearing any underpants because his boner is showing when Ms Fine walks in to deliver the Maths class...

snip snip snip

 

The next step is gene manipulation and do we wont to go there cos that CANNOT be detected

I wonder if gene manipulation will turn donkeys into race horses

Sad news.

Wayne, I agree with you fully as to your stance.

I agree that if it was a mistake, it's a harsh sentence.

The problem however one finds out too often, it was not really a mistake but more a process of what was a well educated and calculated decision.

I wonder if gene manipulation will turn donkeys into race horses

Some people have gene manipulation going on in their heads, they simply don't understand that if you had not been handed the talent from day one, no amount of training can change that.

Surprised how many people are defending Seyffert and in many cases these are the same ones who wanted to lynch Lance. Cheating is cheating and the drug is banned. There is no grey here. He is either a blatant cheat or extremely stupid and I suspect its the former - and I happen to know that his team owner for one has no sympathy.

Guys like this damage things for their teams and colleagues not just themselves.

Phentermine is on itself not the problem (they do not take it for weight loss). It mask the real performance drug. If it did not mask the real performance drug, it would'nt have been on the list.

OK, I understand.

But.... there is still the issue that the Phentermine is not a performance-enhancing drug. Hypothetically speaking: I receive R60k back from the Receiver of Revenue and my friend and I enter the Epic. We are nobodies by anyone's standards. We hope to finish. I take Phentermine because I want to enter the race at 74kgs instead of 80. I pee, get caught and am banned for two years. Fair?

Consider the question rhetoric since there are too many ifs and buts. Hopefully someone in charge is thinking this through very well - philosophically and scientifically.