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Review: YT Capra CF Comp

By BikeHubCoreAdmin · 34 comments

Before the launch of YT Industries in South Africa earlier this year, the Capra was a rare sight on our trails. Only a handful Capra’s made it into the country ridden by those willing to jump through a few hoops. Despite the restricted supply, the rave reviews from international media and riders made an impact on our shores. Then there were low prices making it seem even more worthwhile trying to get that distant relative to take delivery of a bike while you were passing through Europe.

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First launched in early 2014, the Capra was somewhat of a milestone for all-mountain bikes. It took the modern low, slack and long geometry formula and made it work on a 170mm bike. Since then the industry has exploded with capable do-it-all enduro machines. Does the Capra still put forward a claim as the most impressive of the lot?

The Bike

The Capra sits on the burly end of the enduro bike spectrum with 165 mm of rear travel and a 170mm fork. The robust-looking carbon CF Comp frame matches the travel figures with big tubing, defined angles, and extra material in critical areas.

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The geometry chart for the large frame makes for good reading with a 65 degree head angle, 430 mm chainstays, and a 1202 mm wheel base. The 443 mm reach means that taller riders will have to look to the longer aluminium model for a bit more room. Even then, my personal preference would see the Capra get a bit more stretch across the range.

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YT Industries have embraced the availability of the Horst-Link suspension design to great advantage. In YT’s case they’ve developed what they call Virtual 4-Link (V4L). This design drives the Capra’s 165 mm travel and promises good mid stroke support for pedaling while ramping up progressively to prevent a harsh bottom out.

Components

The CF Comp features proven and reliable components. The bike is driven by a 1x system using a mix of SRAM X1 and Race Face components while SRAM’s sturdy Guide RS brakes paired with 200 mm rotors do well at slowing the bike.

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For 2016, YT introduced RockShox’s Lyrik fork to the Capra range. Being our first time riding the fork, we were very impressed with the 170 mm model. While there is precious little to complain about with the Pike, the Lyrik is noticeably stiffer with excellent composure on rough rocky trails.

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Testing this bike was my first experience on a pair of Maxxis High Roller II. I was immediately blown away by the immense grip and ability to absorb the nastiest of knocks. The only downside is that hauling the 2.4″ inch tires up the mountain is not quite as pleasurable as hurtling down with them. I would also recommend converting them to tubeless, as they do fall victim to devil thorns.

Pricing

It is not only the riding characteristics of the YT Industries bikes that get people excited. The pricing of their bikes (through a direct to market business model) is also a major contributor to their success. Although YT are being represented by a local company in South Africa, they are still offering the bikes direct to market and shunning retailers.

So what does this mean for pricing? With the weak Rand throwing bike pricing and our sense of value into turmoil, it would seem that the Capra prices are generally reasonable. The reviewed Capra CF Comp will set you back R78,900 which puts it in the ballpark for similar specced bikes. The range topping Capra CF Pro Race with top equipment including carbon rims appears to be well priced at R103,500. On the other end of the spectrum, the entry Capra AL goes for R49,900 with an aluminium frame, GX drive train and RockShox Yari fork.

On the trail

Getting a modern enduro bike set up can be somewhat daunting but the Capra was relatively easy to live with. The demo bike had been ridden previously and all we needed to do was set fork and shock sag to our weights. Jumping on the bike, it felt familiar and I’m sure riders of all levels will feel right at home on this bike.

Thanks to huge strives in suspension and geometry, modern bikes with 165 mm of travel and 65 degree head angles are expected to be respectable climbers. The Capra’s V4L suspension design achieves this with great efficiency when climbing, making the Capra a comfortable climber. That being said, it is a big bike that leans more towards downhill riding than most enduro bikes. I recommend sitting back and enjoying the view as you chat to your mates about the happenings of your last descent. This way you will be set to climb up and down the mountain all day long.

YT Capra-16.jpgThe quality Race Face Atlas components make the components a comfortable place to be with short stem and wide bar lengths matching the enduro credentials of the rest of the bike.

Heading down the trails is a completely different experience. The bike is a no excuse trail brawler that thrives at ridiculous speeds on steep trails. I have never ridden a bike that compels you to continually go faster and push boundaries quite like the Capra does. The more I succumbed to the bike’s wishes, the further it amazed me with its agility. After a day of riding the Capra, you walk away with no doubts as to why you love mountain biking.

At this point, let me stick my hand up and acknowledge that I’m not the bravest rider on the mountain. On the Capra, however, I had renewed confidence. Obstacles that I had been eyeing out for months, I simply attempted with little hesitation on the Capra. This is testament to the bikes geometry and excellent suspension. The rear end is mind blowingly good at keeping traction and absorbing big impacts when you misjudge your ability, giving you the confidence to exceed your perceived limits.

Special mention needs to be made of the Capra’s aerial abilities. It simply ate up the jumps. The Capra allows you to push into the jump and pop off the lip with little concern as it flew true more often than most bikes. It can also handle a heavy casing should you find yourself falling short.

YT Capra-6.jpgThe new standard haters can rejoice as the 2016 Capra range has stuck with a 12×142 axle, for now.

The Capra is not a trail bike and can be a bit sluggish on trails with mild gradients where serious pedalling is required to keep up the necessary speed. While it is capable, the Capra is built for big mountain riding and not designed to excel in these areas, it’s something worth considering when deciding on your own needs.

In the end

The YT Capra CF Comp exceeds expectations. It is an outstanding enduro bike that does its best to make riding downhill as fast and fun as ever. The Capra has a special ability to make the rider feel like a mountain biking god. Throw in all-day pedalling comfort and you have a great bike.

My only doubt is that the Capra may be too much bike for most South African trails. We simply do not have the steepness or big bike park features that our friends in Europe and the Americas enjoy. If you are considering the Capra as your only bike, this is a bike best suited for big hitters, be honest with your riding habits. That being said, who doesn’t enjoy a bit of excess in life? And, if it has to be a YT, there is always a Jeffsy.

Full Specification

  • Framehigh modular carbonfiber frame, V4L Virtual 4-Link rear suspension, X12 (142x12mm) DT Swiss through axle
  • SizeS / M / L
  • ForkRockShox Lyrik RCT3
  • ShockRockShox Monarch Plus RC3
  • Travel Front/Rear170mm/165mm
  • HeadsetAcros AIX-326
  • CranksetRace Face Turbine
  • Bottom BracketRace Face Pressfit 30 (73)
  • Chain GuideE*Thirteen TRS+
  • Rear DerailleurSRAM X1
  • ShifterSRAM X1
  • CassetteSRAM XG 1150
  • ChainSRAM PC1130
  • BrakesSRAM Guide RS
  • DiscsSRAM Centerline (200)
  • GripsSensus Disisdaboss
  • TyresMaxxis High Roller II
  • WheelsetE*Thirteen TRS+
  • StemRace Face Atlas
  • HandlebarRace Face Atlas (770)
  • SeatpostRockShox Reverb Stealth
  • SaddleSDG Duster YT Custom
  • Claimed weight13.50 kg
  • Retail PriceR78,900.00

Comments

MTBeer

Jul 6, 2016, 6:34 AM

Jeez Myles, I thought Sherrif quit the Hub...

fark dude, I'm not even sure what half those words mean.

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Jul 6, 2016, 6:36 AM

fark dude, I'm not even sure what half those words mean.

Have another coffee, then come back :P

Tommohawk

Jul 6, 2016, 6:40 AM

Giant is probably the best value you'll get anywhere out of a "normal" distribution model, until Spez does their end of season last stock sales.

Though saying that, your comparison is a bit out.

Slx / deore mix vs SRAM GX. GX is equivalent of SLX if you must compare. So YT takes that round.

Deore brakes vs SRAM DB5. Same level, though I'd prefer the DRAM

Giant P-AM2 wheels vs DT SWISS m1700. No contest.

Giant dropper vs reverb. Even contest here

Monarch vs monarch plus. No contest here either.

Pike vs Yari. More difficult though the Pike wins this even though the yari is the better chassis.

Deore crank vs RF Aeffect crank. I'll take the raceface.

So no. Not beating it hands down in the value stakes, especially considering the differences in exchange rate at time of pricing, most likely.

Current USD price is USD 3400 for the Reign. YT is at current rates USD 3,333.

Next time, just check the facts before firing that shot.

 

No shots fired, I think the bikes are great, but the pricing should be sharper, especially considering that no dealer margin is factored into the price of the YT. This is supposed to be the strength of the "direct to market" model.

Although it's hard to draw direct comparisons on spec you'll note the dollar price is the same, yet the YT is 10% more expensive in our market...

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Jul 6, 2016, 6:46 AM

No shots fired, I think the bikes are great, but the pricing should be sharper, especially considering that no dealer margin is factored into the price of the YT. This is supposed to be the strength of the "direct to market" model. Although it's hard to draw direct comparisons on spec you'll note the dollar price is the same, yet the YT is 10% more expensive in our market...

And yet that's what you did... 

 

Again, time of purchase (dollar purchase) comes into play. If our exchange rate were more stable, it wouldn't be as much of a problem. 

droenn

Jul 6, 2016, 6:52 AM

Isn't it more reminiscent of how SA gets stooged by Apple? They deliberately set the prices higher to account for a more volatile currency, so there is a considerable buffer between the SA price and USA, should the ZAR (or other market) ever gain.

 

More going on that direct exchange rate I think. Other places get direct exchange with USA and EUR on YT prices, for example. I don't really know though, just speculating.

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Jul 6, 2016, 7:04 AM

Isn't it more reminiscent of how SA gets stooged by Apple? They deliberately set the prices higher to account for a more volatile currency, so there is a considerable buffer between the SA price and USA, should the ZAR (or other market) ever gain.

 

More going on that direct exchange rate I think. Other places get direct exchange with USA and EUR on YT prices, for example. I don't really know though, just speculating.

Agreed that with a direct to market model the price should be pegged to the EUR, but with other scenarios the local distributors need to pay at the time that the product lands, which makes them particularly susceptible to exchange rate movements. 

 

It can work both ways, though. Sometimes the direct USD price / EUR price will be more expensive than the stock that we have here as it was bought at a lower rate (this happened last year on my bike just after they landed) 

 

And no - local bike pricing is directly related to USD / EUR price (at least with Giant / Spaz / YT it is) Just that it is a spot price at the time of distributor payment.

 

Apple etc are deliberately higher in this country in USD terms. Exchange Rate movements compound that difference instead of being the sole reason for it. 

Iwan Kemp

Jul 6, 2016, 7:31 AM

On the subject of comparing its RRP to that of a Reign there are a couple of things to consider.

 

1. Comparison is made assuming the same business model

We know YT does direct, Giant does not so should be more affordable, right? Not quite. Giant owns their factories and produce millions of bikes a year. R&D costs are set off against several models so too overheads and marketing expenses. The international site lists 24 bikes on the MTB side alone. YT has 8 counting alu and carbon seperate. To put that in perspective: there are more Reigns in Giant's line-up than YT has bikes in total!

 

Just having your own factories give you a MASSIVE advantage as there isn't a supplier in the chain who needs to make his cut and lead times could be shorter (as you call the shots).

 

Also Giant spec own brand gear that once again should come in cheaper than having to buy from a manufacturer who's core business it is to make money off that sale.

 

2. "Payment"

We don't know when or how these bikes are paid for. Forward cover, paying in Eur, USD or Yen all make a big difference.

 

3. Landed Cost

Most manufacturers have tier system in place with importers. If it's a shop (like William's who do Ibis) the volumes will be lower and therefor he will pay more than a full on distributor with a network of shops. We don't know what the YT SA's deal is. (And rightly so)

 

4. Apples and Oranges

Giant make some fine bikes that don't stand back for the best of them. Quite often they ARE the best of them. But we are comparing a mass producer with a niche, boutique brand here. For starters we should be looking at Santa Cruz, Ibis, Yeti and the likes for a real like for like. 

 

5. Stock Levels / Order Quantities 

Again, not sure what the deal is, but I would assume YT SA bring n smaller qty's and will have to do so more often. Giant does several containers full of stuff further reducing costs.

rouxtjie

Jul 6, 2016, 7:46 AM

On the subject of comparing its RRP to that of a Reign there are a couple of things to consider.

 

1. Comparison is made assuming the same business model

We know YT does direct, Giant does not so should be more affordable, right? Not quite. Giant owns their factories and produce millions of bikes a year. R&D costs are set off against several models so too overheads and marketing expenses. The international site lists 24 bikes on the MTB side alone. YT has 8 counting alu and carbon seperate. To put that in perspective: there are more Reigns in Giant's line-up than YT has bikes in total!

 

Just having your own factories give you a MASSIVE advantage as there isn't a supplier in the chain who needs to make his cut and lead times could be shorter (as you call the shots).

 

Also Giant spec own brand gear that once again should come in cheaper than having to buy from a manufacturer who's core business it is to make money off that sale.

 

2. "Payment"

We don't know when or how these bikes are paid for. Forward cover, paying in Eur, USD or Yen all make a big difference.

 

3. Landed Cost

Most manufacturers have tier system in place with importers. If it's a shop (like William's who do Ibis) the volumes will be lower and therefor he will pay more than a full on distributor with a network of shops. We don't know what the YT SA's deal is. (And rightly so)

 

4. Apples and Oranges

Giant make some fine bikes that don't stand back for the best of them. Quite often they ARE the best of them. But we are comparing a mass producer with a niche, boutique brand here. For starters we should be looking at Santa Cruz, Ibis, Yeti and the likes for a real like for like. 

 

5. Stock Levels / Order Quantities 

Again, not sure what the deal is, but I would assume YT SA bring n smaller qty's and will have to do so more often. Giant does several containers full of stuff further reducing costs.

booom

 

Strength is your weakness and vica versa...My money...YT everyday of the week

Steven Knoetze (sk27)

Jul 6, 2016, 7:49 AM

Have you spent time on both bikes to be able to draw that conclusion?

 

I have spent time on the Evil, but have not ridden the Capra. I missed the demo day here in Pretoria. Maybe some day I will be able to give a comparison. I did say in my opinion, based on the facts I have on riding the Evil and having read a coupe of reviews on the Capra

 

Ah. Judging a suspension's performance based on its looks. Right. 

 

Just say you prefer the looks of the Evil. Nothing wrong with that, and you don't sound like a stoopid when you say it.

 

The DELTA (as darn sexy as it is) isn't objectively better or worse than the horst link design of the YT. It'll be different, sure, but each has its own quirks. And both are very good suspension designs. 

 

There's also a reason so many bikes have adapted the Horst link design since Spaz's patent ran out. 

Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt on my intelligence, I think.........

 

My view on the comparisons is this. The average guy buying a Capra/Evil/Banshee, etc. would not be comparing it to a Reign. It's just too mainstream. I believe, and again it is my opinion only so roast away :thumbup: , that not many people can ride any of these bikes to their limit meaning comparing geometries, suspension platforms, etc. does play a role but the biggest factor is the looks and individuality. I mean you have to love your bike, it's what gets you out there too.

I will try to explain the above: there are many people out there willing to pay a premium for being "the" guy who has something different to the masses when out riding, or at an event. The attention for being the only guy out of 20 who has a Capra/Evil/banshee while there are 10 guys who have a Reign/Trance/Spez is something they would gladly pay for.

It's a bit of a poser mentality, if you doubt this just look at all the weekend warriors in their lumo #endurbro, power ranger pajamas.

Again, please this is my opinion, it in no ways means I don't think any of these bikes is good. I rode a fully kitted Insurgent, carbon wheels, Fox 36, etc. and it was a beast!!!! My question is, will having that bike make me a better rider. Yes it would, but would it improve my riding more than say if I just put a Fix 36, carbon wheels, etc. onto my trance? I'm doubtful. Your talent is the ultimate limiting factor.

Chilternburt

Jul 6, 2016, 11:27 AM

Isn't it more reminiscent of how SA gets stooged by Apple? They deliberately set the prices higher to account for a more volatile currency, so there is a considerable buffer between the SA price and USA, should the ZAR (or other market) ever gain.

 

More going on that direct exchange rate I think. Other places get direct exchange with USA and EUR on YT prices, for example. I don't really know though, just speculating.

 

Rand / Dollar doesn't effect Apple pricing in SA as all SA stock comes from Apple Europe, therefore you need to price it against the Pound  / Euro

(worked there for 5 years)

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