Max Knox to race Rocky Mountain in 2017

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I wonder how many of the keyboard warriors criticizing / accusing Max have spoken to him or even know him? Geez, your assumptions are a bit over the top. Yes, he has been let down by partners before and I am pretty sure he is really pissed about it. Have you ever thought that could be a reason why he races for himself and teams up with various different riders so he can take part in selected multiday races.

 

Max is most probably one of the most tested MTB riders in SA considering his dominance of the Ashburton National series and winning the SA champs. 

 

As far as I know Max has never returned an adverse result. I know Max has always stated he rides clean and is 100% committed to racing and winning clean.

 

Until otherwise proven, Max has my support as the best Marathon rider in SA and I am hoping 2017 will be even bigger than 2016.

I don't have the facts in hand

And if Max Knox have not failed any dopping tests, why the slander?

Guilty by association. Maybe?

It is still speculation.

I understand the mistrust and cynicism floating around.

And the facts are the facts hey.

Something for all the Keyboard warriors to consider.

These guys get paid/sponsored based on attention they bring to a brand; it's all about advertising. So Slander.... bring bad press. Which implies a sponsor might walk past someone putting in allot of time to be the fastest he can be, so that he can get a sponsor, as the sponsor pays him, thats he's lively wood, he's job, he's income, he's ability to provide for a family.

So when you make statements with no facts, and ye, there is no facts here, he's never been found guilty ( and ye only positive tests gets made public, not negative, so in the absence of a positive test result he is innocent) you actually attacking he's livelihood, he's marketability, his attractiveness to sponsors.

Think about this... think what your situation would be if someone turns around and started stories at your job, to the point where you boss starts wonder, should I, should I not... is this worth it, Think what you'd do if stories destroy your career, your ability to provide for your wife and children, baseless stories.

Note, these professional athletes do come to these pages, and their sponsors also.

Without these athletes and sponsors our sport won't be where it is, so you not only hurting them, your hurting our sport.

Easy to sit behind a keyboard, 

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Fixed some spelling as it seems thats a bigger problem for some people, sure the grammar police will find more problems though.

I don't have the facts in hand

And if Max Knox have not failed any dopping tests, why the slander?

 

Guilty by association. Maybe?

It is still speculation.

 

I understand the mistrust and cynicism floating around.

And the facts are the facts hey.

Dude, I think you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

Something for all the Keyboard warriors to consider. Insulting people you are trying to reason with seldom helps.

 

These guys get paid/sponsored based on attention they bring to a brand, it's alllll about advertising. So Slander.... bring bad press. Which implies a sponsor might walk past someone putting in allot of time to be the fastest he can be, so that he can get a sponsor, as the sponsor pays him, thats he's lively wood, he's job, he's income, he's ability to provide for a family. Again, the issue is not "bad press"that gets peoples sponsors dropped, its the bad press that gets created by cheats getting caught. The bad press that was created by KevinE, DavidG and BrandonS is what makes sponsors think twice, NOT some online forum. 20 000 people a day call Chris Froome a doper on twitter, he is still sponsored. He also doesnt send any of them Emma letters....

 

So when you make statements with no facts, and ye, there is no facts here 3 of his teamies have been busted, fact!, he's never been found guilty Correct, that is a fact too. Nobody on this thread has called him a doper from what I can see, I certianly havent and wont. ( and ye only positive tests gets made public, not negative, so in the absence of a positive test result he is innocent) you actually attacking he's lively wood, he's marketability, his attractiveness to sponsors. Sorry, I do not agree. His association with those riders is what makes him less attractive to sponsors, not the "keyboard warriors" as you put it. Thats like saying its the Sunday Times that made Molefe look bad, not the fact that he visited the Guptas a bunch of times.

 

Think about this... think what your situation would be if someone turns around and started stories at your job, to the point where you boss starts wonder, should I, should I not... is this worth it, Think what you'd do if stories destroy your career, your ability to provide for your wife and children, baseless stories. Think about this, if I dont want my boss to think that I am involved with dodgey people, maybe I shouldn't hang out with dodgey people. 

 

Note, these professional athletes do come to these pages, and their sponsors also.

Without these athletes and sponsors our sport won't be where it is, so you not only hurting them, your hurting our sport. Until you come to terms with the fact that its the people who cheat that damage the sport, you are going to fight a losing battle with these attempts to shift blame.

 

Easy to sit behind a keyboard, Just as easy as blaming other people for your actions....

 

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He is unfortunately a victim of his circumstance and yes he has a cloud over his head from other people's actions and yes, maybe he is angered by their actions. Has he come out and condemned their actions?

He has not been caught, and therefore he is not being called a doper, this will be unfair, and I wont support it, but you cannot call people out for being skeptical in these circumstances. But this isnt the point...

Point is, its not Twitter or TheHub's fault that sponsors are cautious about investing in cycling, its the DOPERS fault for cheating in the first place.

Dude, I think you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

 

 

He is unfortunately a victim of his circumstance and yes he has a cloud over his head from other people's actions and yes, maybe he is angered by their actions. Has he come out and condemned their actions?

 

He has not been caught, and therefore he is not being called a doper, this will be unfair, and I wont support it, but you cannot call people out for being skeptical in these circumstances. But this isnt the point...

 

Point is, its not Twitter or TheHub's fault that sponsors are cautious about investing in cycling, its the DOPERS fault for cheating in the first place.

But I also can't recall if he had an opinion on the matter.. it was some time ago.

I have a problem with this statement.

"Note, these professional athletes do come to these pages, and their sponsors also.

Without these athletes and sponsors our sport won't be where it is, so you not only hurting them, your hurting our sport."

Where would this sport be without us the paying public you mean? 

this thread is getting Toxic, but until his found to be on something his good in my books.

That spelling is so un-awesome that I'm sure I'd test positive for something after reading that. Lol.

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Dude, I think you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

 

 

He is unfortunately a victim of his circumstance and yes he has a cloud over his head from other people's actions and yes, maybe he is angered by their actions. Has he come out and condemned their actions?

 

He has not been caught, and therefore he is not being called a doper, this will be unfair, and I wont support it, but you cannot call people out for being skeptical in these circumstances. But this isnt the point...

 

Point is, its not Twitter or TheHub's fault that sponsors are cautious about investing in cycling, its the DOPERS fault for cheating in the first place.

Excellent response, Patch.

Max Knox has not been caught doping, so calling him a doper is unjustified. However, given the state of doping in cycling and the fact that many of his buds have been found to be doping, his reputation is tainted. What is even more damning is that he, to my knowledge, has never publicly outed the doping cabal with which he keeps company.

That, to me, is always suspicious.

Something for all the Keyboard warriors to consider.

 

These guys get paid/sponsored based on attention they bring to a brand, it's alllll about advertising. So Slander.... bring bad press. Which implies a sponsor might walk past someone putting in allot of time to be the fastest he can be, so that he can get a sponsor, as the sponsor pays him, thats he's lively wood, he's job, he's income, he's ability to provide for a family.

 

So when you make statements with no facts, and ye, there is no facts here, he's never been found guilty ( and ye only positive tests gets made public, not negative, so in the absence of a positive test result he is innocent) you actually attacking he's lively wood, he's marketability, his attractiveness to sponsors.

 

Think about this... think what your situation would be if someone turns around and started stories at your job, to the point where you boss starts wonder, should I, should I not... is this worth it, Think what you'd do if stories destroy your career, your ability to provide for your wife and children, baseless stories.

 

Note, these professional athletes do come to these pages, and their sponsors also.

Without these athletes and sponsors our sport won't be where it is, so you not only hurting them, your hurting our sport.

 

Easy to sit behind a keyboard, 

 

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Rubbish. 

Dopers in sport give sport a bad name. 

As a non doping cyclist which I believe Max is, he should be one of the people most outspoken about doping as it has personally affected him.  

It is dopers who chase sponsors away. 

It is dopers who make non dopers lives difficult. 

It has FA to do with what people on the outside say and has everything to do with what people on the inside do. 

Actions, not words. 

PS, Max is hubber!

Seems like accusations by association, I'm sure no one here would like to be falsely accused due to association.

If you have nothing good to say, why say anything at all.

Seems like accusations by association, I'm sure no one here would like to be faulsy accused due to association.

 

If you have nothing good to say, why say anything at all.

What accusations?

Tell me, do you think it unfair when our Numba 1, JZ, is accused of fraud, corruption, nepotism, rape, etc? He hasn't been convicted of such things, right?

It's human nature - you'll be judged by the company you keep.

Max is being questioned as almost all of his stage racing partners over the past 3 years have been caught doping and banned. He was on the same team(Fedgroup) as Brandon Stewart and Kevin Evans when they got caught. Remember Kevin also denied knowing anything when David George was the first SA mtb'er to be caught for EPO.

Where there's smoke there's fire but if there is not a positive test you can't call him a doper

I wonder if it will restore faith in people when the UCI/CSA etc. make a public statement when a rider has returned a clean test. All we hear is when the riders has failed a test.

If these riders do get tested as regularly as they do why not make a simple public statement after each test result indicating when he/she was tested and what the result was.

Sometimes a negative test can have a positive effect!

PS. I'm not saying Max ever doped..........I'm just making a general suggestion.

I wonder if it will restore faith in people when the UCI/CSA etc. make a public statement when a rider has returned a clean test. All we hear is when the riders has failed a test.

 

If these riders do get tested as regularly as they do why not make a simple public statement after each test result indicating when he/she was tested and what the result was.

 

Sometimes a negative test can have a positive effect!

 

PS. I'm not saying Max ever doped..........I'm just making a general suggestion.

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This. Good suggestion.

Excellent response, Patch.

 

Max Knox has not been caught doping, so calling him a doper is unjustified. However, given the state of doping in cycling and the fact that many of his buds have been found to be doping, his reputation is tainted. What is even more damning is that he, to my knowledge, has never publicly outed the doping cabal with which he keeps company.

 

That, to me, is always suspicious.

Just my 2c. 

Think that it is tough to expect Max to publicly crucify his buds if they are actual friends. I am sure if you asked Max he would not condone the actions of BS and KE. But if they are proper friends, that friendship is probably worth a lot more to him.

I would like to think that my friends will stick with me even if I manage to cock up for some or other selfish reason.

On a different note. Can't wait to see the 2017 RM Element on the top step of some podiums.

I wonder if he is eating humble pie know after his comment in 2013

 http://indunaadventures.com/mountainbikerace/max-knox

Just my 2c. 

 

Think that it is tough to expect Max to publicly crucify his buds if they are actual friends. I am sure if you asked Max he would not condone the actions of BS and KE. But if they are proper friends, that friendship is probably worth a lot more to him.

 

I would like to think that my friends will stick with me even if I manage to cock up for some or other selfish reason.

 

On a different note. Can't wait to see the 2017 RM Element on the top step of some podiums.

This is a very valid point, and probably true to a degree, jeez its even understandable. But if that is the choice he makes, then he must live with that choice.

That spelling is so un-awesome that I'm sure I'd test positive for something after reading that. Lol.

 

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Here I am trying to see how anyone on this thread would be affecting his "lively wood" (sic)

I think we are all on the same side here. My point is that the posts below portray the opinion that Max has something to hide and there is a skeleton about to fall out of a closet somewhere. You are also right in terms of what 3 or 4 hubbers think about Max makes zero difference to potential sponsors.

Any sponsor worth their salt will protect their brand with some serious anti doping clauses.

It must be hell trying to be a clean rider trying make their way through a drug riddled sport. You don't know who is really clean or doping. You choose the wrong partner and you are labelled with them. Its a small group in SA and I am sure most of the guys are mates at some level but they make their own personal decisions behind closed doors.

100% correct, its the dopers who make life hard for clean riders to get sponsored and make a living.

I guess, if Max had to go on and win a major international race the hub would be bursting with pride, claiming him as a Saffer and a great rider.

I guess I believe in the inherent good in people 1st, that's why I support Max in his endeavours. He is the best SA has BUT if he was ever found to be doping I would be seriously pissed off because he has great talent.

I hope they have a decent drug free escape clause........

 

What? who said that?.....

He he he.

This guy has had a whiff about him that he can't seem to shake.

Quite the slippery one... ☺️
Let see how this one plays out...(3dit 3dit...)
Mmmmm...(edit...edit...edit....)&&&&&&...!!!
Let's start a poll...??

Here I am trying to see how anyone on this thread would be affecting his "lively wood" (sic)

That sounds so naff: "lively wood".

I support him to the Max!

I support him to the Max!

Have to agree ....He goes through one brand after another and really hasn't managed to add value to any of them....With so much up and coming and existing talent who do such fantastic jobs for their sponsors, I think this was an incredibly poor signing of a rider that really doesn't embody the brand

Third time's the charm, hey love the ride?