Kevin Evans accepts doping charge

I made no such statement.

 

I said its amazing that how a SA pro's performance has dropped now that his riding partner has been busted.

 

1) i never mentioned his name

2) I never called him a doper.

 

very few people would have suspected anything if KE hadnt gone on the rampage the way he did. Streissand effect kinda?

 So, if your statement wasn't unlawful, why did you retract?  

all hubber hate dopers, except when its a SA pro or a mate. Then they will find every excuse under the sun not to crucify the guy.

pick a side. Either you hate doping and dopers or you dont.

Almost no-one here has any balls. You're all fickle. Everyone calls for a clean sport. But when a local "nice" rider gets busted, then theres a million excuses, stories, diversions.

As long as cyclists continue making excuses for dopers we will NEVER have a clean sport

 So, if your statement wasn't unlawful, why did you retract?  

Because i have better things to do with my time than try prove a point in court. If i wanted to lawyer up and spend 500k on high court i could have squashed him for a million different things.

But he's really not worth spending money on

In hindsight, when you received that threatening phonecall from KE in July 2014. KE was doping.

Think about it like this, he was dirty at the time of the call... as per SAIDS

What kind of person, who knows he is cheating calls somebody and threatens them for hinting at it? Nice guys?

Because i have better things to do with my time than try prove a point in court. If i wanted to lawyer up and spend 500k on high court i could have squashed him for a million different things.

 

But he's really not worth spending money on

You say almost no one here has balls, yet you lack the courage of your conviction to back up a reckless statement you were forced to take down. 

Perhaps ease up on the hyperbole.

You say almost no one here has balls, yet you lack the courage of your conviction to back up a reckless statement you were forced to take down. 

 

Perhaps ease up on the hyperbole.

theres a difference between not caring and not having courage to follow through

You say almost no one here has balls, yet you lack the courage of your conviction to back up a reckless statement you were forced to take down. 

 

Perhaps ease up on the hyperbole.

Imagine you interrogated the dopers and their stories like this....

theres a difference between not caring and not having courage to follow through

You left out having grounds to stand on. By your own admission. 

In hindsight, when you received that threatening phonecall from KE in July 2014. KE was doping.

 

Think about it like this, he was dirty at the time of the call... as per SAIDS

 

What kind of person, who knows he is cheating calls somebody and threatens them for hinting at it? Nice guys?

Which is a subject that I wanted to introduce but backed away from.

You need to have some serious issues aka almost be psychopathic, to be able to do this.

Paddy Upton (Google him if you dont know him) did a nice piece on this wrt psychopathy is sportsmen and in business and the damage they do and used Lance as an example. It really made me think a little bit about the behaviours we admire and see as desirable aka "successful" people.

This is the text book example of what he said these people would do and how they are able to manipulate opinions around them...

You left out having grounds to stand on. By your own admission. 

You have seen all the facts now....

Would you have taken it to court?

You have seen all the facts now....

 

Would you have taken it to court?

As plaintiff or defendant? 

As plaintiff or defendant? 

If you were in ZKs shoes.

Reminds me of when we watch "new generation" & "clean" riders go faster than known dopers and its always due to weather conditions, new technology, pillows, nutella bans etc 

If you were in ZKs shoes.

I would never have made the statement knowing I couldn't back it up... 

...But...hypothetically, if I was a self-styled anti-doping crusader I would have replied to Emma's demand that my comment was fair comment and in the public interest, offered to publish an explanation of them on a similar platform and wait for the response. 

I made no such statement.

 

I said its amazing that how a SA pro's performance has dropped now that his riding partner has been busted.

 

1) i never mentioned his name

2) I never called him a doper.

 

very few people would have suspected anything if KE hadnt gone on the rampage the way he did. Streissand effect kinda?

Again...no horse in this race for me and no favourite either....but when you make fleeting statements about a convicted cyclists riding partner....then the odds are already very thin and with a little bit of logic everyone knows who you are referring to...no need to even mention a name....kinda like a boomerang effect....KE went on a rampage and understandably so...it's human nature to want to defend ourselves and our honour...what I would not have done if I was KE....I would not have gone on that that rampage if I knew that I was actually doping...

I would never have made the statement knowing I couldn't back it up... 

 

...But...hypothetically, if I was a self-styled anti-doping crusader I would have replied to Emma's demand that my comment was fair comment and in the public interest, offered to publish an explanation of them on a similar platform and wait for the response. 

Cool.. fanacious went a different route. Doest mean either are wrong.

Again...no horse in this race for me and no favourite either....but when you make fleeting statements about a convicted cyclists riding partner....then the odds are already very thin and with a little bit of logic everyone knows who you are referring to...no need to even mention a name....kinda like a boomerang effect....KE went on a rampage and understandably so...it's human nature to want to defend ourselves and our honour...what I would not have done if I was KE....I would not have gone on that that rampage if I knew that I was actually doping...

This!!!

The fact that he did says so much.

 

“So, theres a SA pro, who, since his partner got busted for EPO in 2012, suddenly hasn’t been performing. Make me wonder...”

But post the entire string....this was the offending tweet which they used from a legal standpoint....it was the mess it melted in to after the tweet was made....

 

 

Would you have taken it to court?

There is a bullying phenomena that started in the US and is described as a S.L.A.P.P. or Strategic Litigation Against Public Participation suit.

This started where property developers started suing public interest groups or communities which raised any objection to a new development for the "cost" of the delay in the development.

Faced with a billion dollar claim and the costs to defend their often reasonable objections, they of course capitulate. The claimants have no intention to go to trial, the merely wish to intimidate anybody they think may be standing in their way.

This technique has been used in SA as well, amongst others IIRC, by developers in the Crocodile river valley near Blair Atholl and also by developers applying for business rights in residential areas.

Lance used exactly the same thing. Threaten to sue everybody who even casts a doubt on any of his performances, reasonable or not.

Sending people an Emma letter is no different.

nah its not just jealous speculation. These guys are so blatant about it (like keeping it in the fridge next to their beer).

They should have taken a picture, just imagine starting a "What's inside your fridge right now" thread and posting that as the first picture

I don't get why anyone involved in competitive cycling in this day and age (or the last 10 years) would be blatant about it.... it goes against all logic

An interesting thought:

 

If those who got Emma letters decided to stand up to the bullying and the matter progressed to trial, would KE now have been a perjurer as well as a doper ?

As said above. No. You need to lie while under oath for it to be perjury. So it need's to be done in an affidavit or in court, not some lawyer's letter.

As the question posed clearly said "had the matter progressed to trial"  how will KE make his case without an affidavit or testimony ?

Cool.. fanacious went a different route. Doest mean either are wrong.

Maybe not. But it's pretty hollow calling someone to account when you can't answer when you yourself are called to account. 

Lets not forget the bigger picture here:

 

David George: Busted for doping, negatively affects the sport.

Brandon Stewart: Busted for doping, negatively affects the sport.

Kevin Evans: Busted for doping, negatively affects the sport.

 

ZK, hurt their feelings.... we flame HIM?

 

The logic astounds me.

I agree with you a million times over...the bold bit is where I am a little more stubborn....ZK was being flamed because he had no conclusive evidence....ZK might now get flamed again because his motives for being an anti-doping crusader is called in to question....I think in the end of the day...don't dope....don't say stuff in public you might regret....in short...don't be an @$$hole (not referring to you) unless of course we want to be stravasholes.....

Maybe not. But it's pretty hollow calling someone to account when you can't answer when you yourself are called to account. 

1) I never called anyone to account. It was a musing, not a demand for information or an answer.

2) I was never called to account. I was asked to please remove as he felt it defamed him. I couldnt be bothered to fight it, so i removed it

stop using strawmen to try make a point - lets just stick with simple facts

I agree with you a million times over...the bold bit is where I am a little more stubborn....ZK was being flamed because he had no conclusive evidence....ZK might now get flamed again because his motives for being an anti-doping crusader is called in to question....I think in the end of the day...don't dope....don't say stuff in public you might regret....in short...don't be an @$$hole (not referring to you) unless of course we want to be stravasholes.....

I agree that ZK was running close to the line last year. Naughty Zayin...

But it had a positive outcome in my opinion, it has exposed KE's character by the way he reacted. He might have had more public support if it wasnt for that incident.