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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

Delarey

Dec 6, 2018, 5:46 PM

I demo’ed a Levo at The U prologue and with Jonkers in my backyard I have to say I agree with this guy

 

https://youtu.be/ED0m3CbRLcI

ChrisF

Dec 6, 2018, 6:18 PM

I demo’ed a Levo at The U prologue and with Jonkers in my backyard I have to say I agree with this guy

 

 

Just a matter of time when I wont be able to keep up with Maritz ....

 

 

We then need to figure out HIS future in cycling.  IF he wants to progress in the SPUR league .... I will get an ebike to keep up with him, and use my normal bike for when I ride on my own ....

 

 

Heck, I may even join my DC and Trans Baviaans buddy for some day trails .... nice new world of options for me, and an extra riding buddy that does not hold him up .....  :thumbup:

 

 

 

For now .... I am just that bit faster and fitter than Maritz ... better ENJOY it while it lasts ....   :devil:    :whistling:

 

 

 

I ENJOYED the 12km ride of Hermanus trails on Sunday .... but was more than a bit enveous of the riders that turned off the blue route to enjoy the rest of the route .....  Due to my arthritis and knees those extra distances simply are not an option for me on a traditional bike ...  But then again, but constantly pushing my limits that that little bit, I am now capable of a LOT more than 18 months ago !!!!!!  So the ebike can wait a while ...  :clap:

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Dec 6, 2018, 6:58 PM

I demo’ed a Levo at The U prologue and with Jonkers in my backyard I have to say I agree with this guy

 

https://youtu.be/ED0m3CbRLcI

100%

 

That's what I've personally said from the beginning. I want to be able to do multiple full laps of Jonkers in a day. Not just one. This, means I can.

BigDL

Dec 6, 2018, 7:57 PM

same mentality as : "Bicycles dont have number plates and should stay OFF the roads ..."

 

 

LIVE AND LET LIVE .....

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rudi-h

Dec 7, 2018, 5:33 AM

They should have indicators, number plates

and lights and stay on the road where they belong

 

imagine a world where every single one of us took an ebike to work...

 

a city with bike paths and trails everywhere (yes, even gnarly ones with jumps and berms and shi_t) so that you can hop and smile your way back home after work.

 

trails that are safe to use day and night (because they get used by everybody), a world where you don't need to drop your car somewhere and call uber every time that you feel like drinking a beer

 

people waving, smiling and greeting each other as they fly by each other 8AM on their morning commute instead of vloeking the douchbag pushing in front of you in morning traffic...

 

a place with no taxis or hooters or idling for hours and sucking up fumes

______

 

Now lets face it, normal bikes have been around for 100+ years, yet the amount of people actively using bicycles as a means of either transport and fun/recreation are confined to a select few lean and mean blokes (many of us) that have become too damn scared to ride our bikes anywhere but 50km outside of the city perimeter in some "safe" spot, and god forbid riding alone or out at night.

 

How do we get from this fking mess that we live with now to the picture above?  E-bikes are currently the only likely transport technology (fast enough, cheap enough, capable to cover distance, fun enough and doesn't leave you in a puddle of sweat after you've cycled 1km up the road) that has the ability to even attempt this change.  And the only way that we ill ever get a large scale take-up in ebike use is to make ebikes sexy, make them efficient, make them fun, make them cool AND make them inclusive.  That would mean that we might have to drop our "tough-guy" / "purist" / "hardman" / "HTFU" and "earn your downhills" sentiments that many of us cyclists associate with and welcome those e-bike users to our trails and races...

 

Who knows, in 20 years you might thank yourself for your progressive new mindset and one day when you're 75 and no longer capable of pushing out 350W on the hills, you still might enjoy riding your favorite trail...

Rigardt@Scott

Dec 7, 2018, 5:58 AM

imagine a world where every single one of us took an ebike to work...

 

a city with bike paths and trails everywhere (yes, even gnarly ones with jumps and berms and shi_t) so that you can hop and smile your way back home after work.

 

trails that are safe to use day and night (because they get used by everybody), a world where you don't need to drop your car somewhere and call uber every time that you feel like drinking a beer

 

people waving, smiling and greeting each other as they fly by each other 8AM on their morning commute instead of vloeking the douchbag pushing in front of you in morning traffic...

 

a place with no taxis or hooters or idling for hours and sucking up fumes

______

 

Now lets face it, normal bikes have been around for 100+ years, yet the amount of people actively using bicycles as a means of either transport and fun/recreation are confined to a select few lean and mean blokes (many of us) that have become too damn scared to ride our bikes anywhere but 50km outside of the city perimeter in some "safe" spot, and god forbid riding alone or out at night.

 

How do we get from this fking mess that we live with now to the picture above? E-bikes are currently the only likely transport technology (fast enough, cheap enough, capable to cover distance, fun enough and doesn't leave you in a puddle of sweat after you've cycled 1km up the road) that has the ability to even attempt this change. And the only way that we ill ever get a large scale take-up in ebike use is to make ebikes sexy, make them efficient, make them fun, make them cool AND make them inclusive. That would mean that we might have to drop our "tough-guy" / "purist" / "hardman" / "HTFU" and "earn your downhills" sentiments that many of us cyclists associate with and welcome those e-bike users to our trails and races...

 

Who knows, in 20 years you might thank yourself for your progressive new mindset and one day when you're 75 and no longer capable of pushing out 350W on the hills, you still might enjoy riding your favorite trail...

Pretty sure wahoofish was being sarcastic with his numberplates remark...

Robbow

Dec 7, 2018, 6:18 AM

So I've had my bike for around a month now, and with this forum that just keeps on giving I thought I would give some real world feedback.

 

To start off with I am in no way disabled (wife disagrees :whistling: ), old or too unfit. I've done loads of marathons/stage races and in more recent years have been enjoying Enduro/DH, whilst also doing the Megavalanche twice. So would class myself as a reasonably capable rider. My home trails are Karkloof and I pretty much spend all my free time there.

 

Why did I buy an ebike? In short cos I wanted to, I had a few short rides on other models and they are a laugh. Do I regret it? Not in the slightest, I am having great fun on it.

 

Plus Side:

The obvious I can climb faster, but beyond that its more the mentality that I am happy to ride any trail heading in any direction now because you aren't concerned about the way back or where you may land up.

The weight helps the bike stay more planted, some may find this an issue if they after poppy/playful bikes, but for me I've never been great in the air so the better stability is pleasant.

 

Down Side:

Lifting that sucker off the back of the bakkie :eek:

Remembering to charge it before the weekend

 

 

I've done a few rides on my own and you certainly can cover some distance when going for it, but you can ride it at a normal pace too. I regularly ride with a group of mates and I just leave it in the lowest power mode and it's cool. Except for the really steep hills when I land up towing 2 of them :thumbup:

 

As for racing, We did the team Enduro at Giba a few weekends back and there are no issues, other than you can obviously climb up the really steep liasons where guys are walking, but in stage at racing speeds the bike is not really faster, you are often above 25km/h so its not powering up. For sure you get chirped etc, but after a few big hills that quickly changed to can I have a turn.

 

Most people I have come across are far more interested in what it is, how it works, can they try it as opposed to outright hate.

 

Ebike or no ebike, most of the *** out on the trails is around EGO and attitude towards others. If you are polite and not shouting at everyone who's in the way of your Strava attempt then generally no one give a ...... about what bike you are on.

coppi

Dec 7, 2018, 6:25 AM

Our ideal scenario that i'm busy working on ( Mrs & I ) :

 

Hire a camper-van and go on a year long journey around SA and neighboring countries. 

Strap 2 E-bikes to the back, use them to go exploring from various campsites............

Eldron

Dec 7, 2018, 6:36 AM

imagine a world where every single one of us took an ebike to work...

 

a city with bike paths and trails everywhere (yes, even gnarly ones with jumps and berms and shi_t) so that you can hop and smile your way back home after work.

 

trails that are safe to use day and night (because they get used by everybody), a world where you don't need to drop your car somewhere and call uber every time that you feel like drinking a beer

 

people waving, smiling and greeting each other as they fly by each other 8AM on their morning commute instead of vloeking the douchbag pushing in front of you in morning traffic...

 

a place with no taxis or hooters or idling for hours and sucking up fumes

______

 

Now lets face it, normal bikes have been around for 100+ years, yet the amount of people actively using bicycles as a means of either transport and fun/recreation are confined to a select few lean and mean blokes (many of us) that have become too damn scared to ride our bikes anywhere but 50km outside of the city perimeter in some "safe" spot, and god forbid riding alone or out at night.

 

How do we get from this fking mess that we live with now to the picture above? E-bikes are currently the only likely transport technology (fast enough, cheap enough, capable to cover distance, fun enough and doesn't leave you in a puddle of sweat after you've cycled 1km up the road) that has the ability to even attempt this change. And the only way that we ill ever get a large scale take-up in ebike use is to make ebikes sexy, make them efficient, make them fun, make them cool AND make them inclusive. That would mean that we might have to drop our "tough-guy" / "purist" / "hardman" / "HTFU" and "earn your downhills" sentiments that many of us cyclists associate with and welcome those e-bike users to our trails and races...

 

Who knows, in 20 years you might thank yourself for your progressive new mindset and one day when you're 75 and no longer capable of pushing out 350W on the hills, you still might enjoy riding your favorite trail...

Right here right now Copenhagen has exactly that...without ebikes. 65% of Copenhageners ride to work in summer and 35% in winter (and we have proper winters!).

 

The only ebikes around are under older folk who still want to ride into their 70s. Most younger e-users are on escooters or those 1 wheeled death emachines. The Mate ebike is seeing some traction now.

 

The vast minority of people NEED an ebike. I'm still of the opinion that most ebikes in SA are top end carbon wonder bikes used by people who want to go fast without investing the time and effort. I'm all for that - knock yourselves out - just don't race them, steal KOMs or consider yourselves normal cyclists.

rudi-h

Dec 8, 2018, 7:30 AM

Right here right now Copenhagen has exactly that...without ebikes. 65% of Copenhageners ride to work in summer and 35% in winter (and we have proper winters!).

 

The only ebikes around are under older folk who still want to ride into their 70s. Most younger e-users are on escooters or those 1 wheeled death emachines. The Mate ebike is seeing some traction now.

 

The vast minority of people NEED an ebike. I'm still of the opinion that most ebikes in SA are top end carbon wonder bikes used by people who want to go fast without investing the time and effort. I'm all for that - knock yourselves out - just don't race them, steal KOMs or consider yourselves normal cyclists.

 

i get the point...  i've never been to copenhagen, but most cities where bicycle commuting works well are quite flat and the city designs lend itself to living, working and playing in closer proximity to what we typically have in SA.  i'm guessing the same holds there, probably an easy sub 30 min commute for the majority of those 65% bicycle commuters?

Eldron

Dec 8, 2018, 8:56 AM

i get the point...  i've never been to copenhagen, but most cities where bicycle commuting works well are quite flat and the city designs lend itself to living, working and playing in closer proximity to what we typically have in SA.  i'm guessing the same holds there, probably an easy sub 30 min commute for the majority of those 65% bicycle commuters?

 

Yup. I'd hazard a guess at sub 30 min commute for most people.

 

I'd say the two biggest factors that encourage commuting are the dedicated bike lanes (separate from the road) and the cycling culture (kids get transported in cargo bikes until they're old enough to ride then they're on bikes).

 

Parking spaces are limited in the city and cycling is generally faster than public transport.

 

Perfect recipe for a commuter culture!

Hairy

Dec 8, 2018, 2:00 PM

and most likely far less chance of being mugged on your bike on your way to work/school!

Yup. I'd hazard a guess at sub 30 min commute for most people.

 

I'd say the two biggest factors that encourage commuting are the dedicated bike lanes (separate from the road) and the cycling culture (kids get transported in cargo bikes until they're old enough to ride then they're on bikes).

 

Parking spaces are limited in the city and cycling is generally faster than public transport.

 

Perfect recipe for a commuter culture!

ChrisF

Dec 8, 2018, 6:29 PM

Uhm ja .... saw two ebikes at Contermanskloof today ... make that THREE ...

 

Young man in baggies standing and pedling that bike !! 

EDIT - I see he is wearing knee braces, despite standing on the pedals ..

 

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The second sighting had me totally  baffeled !  Man test riding an ebike in the parking lot ... few of his friends taking turns.  Then him and his wife heads off onto the trails.  HIM bunny hopping the ebike and doing all kinds of tricks that would suggest he may just be able bodied enough for a normal bike ... O-oooo, and his wife on a standard bike.

 

 

While later yer another husband and wife out on the trails .... husband on the ebike, wife peddling away on a normal MTB .... at least this gent was sitting and riding "normally", so just maybe he "needed" it .....

 

 

 

Hey, dont get me wrong.  If your ebike is the SA version of a cable-ride to the top ... so be it .... just a strange seeing the wifes peddling away on normal bikes while able bodied men doing tricks on their ebikes are to lazy to peddle up a few hills with their wifes ....

ChrisF

Dec 8, 2018, 6:29 PM

double post ....

Pure Savage

Dec 8, 2018, 6:41 PM

Uhm ja .... saw two ebikes at Contermanskloof today ... make that THREE ...

 

Young man in baggies standing and pedling that bike !! Visually no "need" for an ebike ... maybe he wanted a shuttle to the top .....

 

 

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Man test riding an ebike in the parking lot ... few of his friends taking turns. Then him and his wife heads off onto the trails. HIM bunny hopping the ebike and doing all kinds of tricks that would suggest he may just be able bodied enough for a normal bike ... O-oooo, and his wife on a standard bike.

 

 

While later yer another husband and wife out on the trails .... husband on the ebike, wife peddling away on a normal MTB .... at least this gent was sitting and riding "normally", so just maybe he "needed" it .....

 

 

 

Hey, dont get me wrong. If your ebike is the SA version of a cable-ride to the top ... so be it .... just a strange seeing the wifes peddling away on normal bikes while able bodied men doing tricks on their ebikes are to sleg lazy to peddle up a few hills with their wifes ....

Wait till you see okes driving 10km to work in their cars. Lazy I tell you

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Dec 9, 2018, 5:48 AM

Uhm ja .... saw two ebikes at Contermanskloof today ... make that THREE ...

 

Young man in baggies standing and pedling that bike !!

EDIT - I see he is wearing knee braces, despite standing on the pedals ..

 

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Knee PADS, not braces. We wear em to protect our knees from any crashes we have.

 

As for the testers, maybe they were actually testing? Who actually gives a fk what they ride? No racing there. If they wanna ride an ebike, so what?

 

A mate of mine recently tested one at the weekly Thursday night ride. He was able to stay with the fkn fit okes up the hills (kloof nek, etc) and have fun. Id definitely get one as my next bike due to how many laps of jonkers I could do in one day vs just one on my current bike, on a good day. Just stick it on Eco mode and go for it.

Rigardt@Scott

Dec 9, 2018, 6:24 AM

Young man in baggies standing and pedling that bike !!

EDIT - I see he is wearing knee braces, despite standing on the pedals ..

 

Knee braces?? Hahaha

 

Guy was probably doing his own version of a shuttle day man. In my opinion the best use for an ebike. If I was ever going to buy one it would be kitted out like a DH bike and used for shuttle days at places like Jonkershoek and Helderberg.

Goodbadugly

Dec 9, 2018, 6:28 AM

After a year or so of this ebike fad, I see it as something that will blow over.

The people who liked the idea, bought them.

At some stage the batteries of these vehicles will need replacement. At a cost. They will hit the classifieds at rock bottom prices.

The lazy will at some stage find the trouble that they have to go through too much.

The cyclists will go back to real bikes. They will find the handling of these machines cumbersome.

The frail will be the only ones left on these before moving on to mobility scooters. 

L.T.G

Dec 9, 2018, 8:23 AM

The fun I've had with this bike has been off the charts!!

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The handling of this bike was amazing.. and then there was the speed on flats and climbs (when I rode alone)..INSANE!!!!

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I had the bike set up as follows

Eco: 3-5% of max...I used this and OFF a lot. Kind of made up for the weight a bit and gave me a great extra workout when off.

Trail:-30% of max

and Turbo:- 100% obviously :D

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My average HR riding this bike was always 80% of max and above... I flippen rode it! I'm 44. my 80% starts at around 141bpm

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People who think I'm lazy/don't like me/are jealous for riding an Ebike... :clap:  :lol: .. cool... I don't care.

My bike

My time

and my FUN!!

I never "pushed" anyone out the way on the trails (I upset a few roadies on the road on my way out the Cradle back to work a couple times :lol: .. never intentionally, but the chirps showered me many times.... just their egos and bitterness getting the better of them )

Always courteous on the trails, just like when on my "normal" bike.

I just did things FASTER!

 

Well this bike now has a new owner, a very lucky new owner as it was immaculate!

 

Onto newer things..

 

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Working 7 days a week 

a business that trades from 6:30am till 7pm

closed 3 days a year

I grab my rides when I can

This, allows me to fit more in..

BUT if I worked "normal" hours.... I'd still ride it  :thumbup:

 

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Ebikes DO belong on the mountain.

if people want to chirp me..  :P , go mad :thumbup: ... "sticks and stones........."

You don't like it... don't ride it. simple.

 

WaynejG

Dec 9, 2018, 11:21 AM

The fun I've had with this bike has been off the charts!!

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The handling of this bike was amazing.. and then there was the speed on flats and climbs (when I rode alone)..INSANE!!!!

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I had the bike set up as follows

Eco: 3-5% of max...I used this and OFF a lot. Kind of made up for the weight a bit and gave me a great extra workout when off.

Trail:-30% of max

and Turbo:- 100% obviously :D

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My average HR riding this bike was always 80% of max and above... I flippen rode it! I'm 44. my 80% starts at around 141bpm

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People who think I'm lazy/don't like me/are jealous for riding an Ebike... :clap: [emoji38] .. cool... I don't care.

My bike

My time

and my FUN!!

I never "pushed" anyone out the way on the trails (I upset a few roadies on the road on my way out the Cradle back to work a couple times [emoji38] .. never intentionally, but the chirps showered me many times.... just their egos and bitterness getting the better of them )

Always courteous on the trails, just like when on my "normal" bike.

I just did things FASTER!

 

Well this bike now has a new owner, a very lucky new owner as it was immaculate!

 

Onto newer things..

 

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Working 7 days a week

a business that trades from 6:30am till 7pm

closed 3 days a year

I grab my rides when I can

This, allows me to fit more in..

BUT if I worked "normal" hours.... I'd still ride it [emoji106]

 

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Ebikes DO belong on the mountain.

if people want to chirp me.. [emoji14] , go mad [emoji106] ... "sticks and stones........."

You don't like it... don't ride it. simple.

Stunning photos
Headshot

Dec 9, 2018, 1:20 PM

That Ebomination looks way better than the normal Stumpy for some reason... must be the battery.

capediver

Dec 9, 2018, 3:46 PM

you decide.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wCFGfd7L58

Rigardt@Scott

Dec 9, 2018, 4:04 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0EZX0WCy1LQ

 

That's not an argument for or against ebikes.

 

I'm all for them (except in races), but I HATE how the EMBN channel speaks of normal bikes as "old" bikes and e-bikes as "modern" bikes. The other day they compared a Levo to a 80' Stumpjumper. Horse sh@t man, they are two completely different things, and the quicker it's marketed as something else alltogether the quicker the hate for them will stop.

 

An ebike is as close to a mtb as it is to a MX bike.

L.T.G

Dec 9, 2018, 7:34 PM

Stunning photos

Thanks Wayne

Hairy

Dec 10, 2018, 11:49 AM

If an 82 year old cancer survivor can still ride a conventional MTB, then why do we need motorbikes on the trails :)

 

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/video-alf-the-82-year-old-cancer-survivor-who-still-rides.html

 

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