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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

Patchelicious

Nov 6, 2018, 3:41 PM

Ahem.

 

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Why is she walking all over her dinner???

J Wakefield

Nov 6, 2018, 4:08 PM

Why is she walking all over her dinner???

 

and carrying the head of a dead sheep? There is so much wrong in this ad.

PhilipV

Nov 6, 2018, 5:11 PM

Yes, it was hard in the beginning, but after a few minor bike tossing incidents, she became a really keen mtb and even road cyclist.

 

So, yes, it can be done without mechanical doping.

But then eventually you got fitter and stronger and now you can keep up with her.

 

 

 

 

Tongue firmly in cheek here. Because we know she is fast.

DieselnDust

Nov 6, 2018, 5:12 PM

I wonder what her views are on nylon and polyester?

Willing to research all night and all day

SwissVan

Nov 6, 2018, 6:09 PM

If you are climbing a piece of single track, and a rider on an E-bike keeps shouting "track" behind you, will you give way?

Hehe good question

I’d like to think I would react the same as if it was Nino Schurter...

Zatopek

Nov 7, 2018, 1:52 AM

I dont know HOW couples rode together before the invention of eBikes. 

Anyway they want... EXCEPT riding circles around the slower one while whistling  :whistling:

rorydewet

Nov 7, 2018, 9:56 AM

Ducati launches an e-bike

 

https://cyclingindustry.news/ducati-launches-new-e-mtb-while-tesla-hints-e-bikes-may-be-on-agenda/

 

is this an e-bike or if it has Ducati name is it a motor bike ?

 

flame vest on

 

:eek:  :eek:  :eek:  :eek:  :eek:

Hairy

Nov 7, 2018, 10:01 AM

Ducati launches an e-bike

 

https://cyclingindustry.news/ducati-launches-new-e-mtb-while-tesla-hints-e-bikes-may-be-on-agenda/

 

is this an e-bike or if it has Ducati name is it a motor bike ?

 

flame vest on

 

:eek:  :eek:  :eek:  :eek:  :eek:

look ... even the previous gen (and fugly) Giant e-bikes have now managed to get the battery integrated into the frame nicely ... that Ducati is horrendous 

Dirkitech

Nov 7, 2018, 10:10 AM

look ... even the previous gen (and fugly) Giant e-bikes have now managed to get the battery integrated into the frame nicely ... that Ducati is horrendous 

ja-sis. Just ugly from proportions and tapering. The turbo levo is much nicer in comparison.

DieselnDust

Nov 7, 2018, 10:25 AM

look ... even the previous gen (and fugly) Giant e-bikes have now managed to get the battery integrated into the frame nicely ... that Ducati is horrendous 

 

 

heresy!! Bring the matches, bring the tar.....burn him burn him

Shebeen

Nov 7, 2018, 10:52 AM

So page 75 in comments from an article, that must be a record. Maybe not a bad idea to read the now 18month old article itself.

 

What have we learnt?

 

First up - the thread topic is a question, I don't think there's many left who answer it in the negative.

Some people change their minds with new info/reasoning, some take a while and others have got their opinion and won't budge no matter what. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't think any significant new info has really come to light in the last 60 or so pages. Can't really help those who still think they are motorbikes, short of letting them actually ride one.

 

I used to think ebikes where the answer to a question that didn't exist. I saw them in europe, and rode a BH easymotion testbike locally when they were first brought here about 6/7 years back. I changed my view on them, while I don't see one in my arsenal for the next 10-15 years I think they're excellent machines to get more people cycling.

 

Thing is, they're not just coming, they're already here in numbers. Each year they're getting better, cheaper and even prettier. Sure weight of numbers means that they just won't be ignored. Every major manufacturer seems to have them in their lineup. Here's an article from eurobike, the massive tradeshow where ebikes were all over the stands this year.

 

 

What will the e-bike look like in the future? The answer from many manufacturers of e-bike drive systems is “like a bicycle.” What sounds easy is a challenge for the players in the e-bike market, as will also be demonstrated at the Eurobike in Friedrichshafen.

 

Five years is a long time in innovation-driven industries. This becomes clear when one looks back at the history of e-bikes: Although the first e-bikes rolled into bicycle dealerships before the turn of the millennium, the biggest thrust in innovation and thus also what was required for an e-bike boom at the bike shop counter has only been able to be observed in the years after 2010. The pace of innovation will not be slowing down in the coming years either. An important development goal is to bring e-bikes and bicycles closer together again. “An e-bike will increasingly approach a normal bicycle in terms of its appearance. For example, while the luggage rack rechargeable battery was standard in the past, this solution will be seen less and less in the coming years in favor of semi-integrated or fully integrated batteries,” says Michael Wild, Marketing and Press Manager at Shimano distributor Paul Lange.

 

At Bosch, Europe’s market leader among drive manufacturers, the development is estimated to be similar, as Claus Fleischer, Head of Bosch’s E-Bike division, reports: “From our point of view, in 2022 there will be pedelecs which can hardly be distinguished from the traditional bike in form language and design. Drives as well as batteries are more compact and lighter, and so well integrated into the frame design that the e-bike can hardly be distinguished from a bike without an electric drive at first glance. On the other hand, in five years there will still be a large number of pedelec models which are clearly identifiable as such: Because while some people prefer to be on the go with a bike that is puristic and straightforward, others consciously want to be perceived as an e-biker – and thus make a clear statement.”

 

 

I think the ebikes in races issue is going to be a sticky one for some time. As far as I'm concerned, most people are doing the race for the ride aspect, and I don't have a problem with them doing that on a pedal assist bike. The underlying SA macho viewpoint is not going anywhere either and I see this is an unavoidable conflict point as more and more ebikes join races.

 

So ja, I'm done with this circular debate. Hate them all you want, hate the owners of them all you want, hate the those using them in races all you want. At the end of the day, that is someone riding a bicycle. The beauty of cycling really should be embracing all those who do it, from the penny farthing to the downhill bike and all in between.

Shebeen

Nov 7, 2018, 10:57 AM

I've engaged in this debate as a non owner of an ebike because I feel they are so badly understood and construed. At the end of the day, unless people actually ride them they won't change their minds. And as is human nature, not everyone will be a convert either.

 

Your declaration that everyone universally agrees with your viewpoint doesn't seem to be holding. It's a little more nuanced than that, with the volume of 75 pages as proof.

 

Eldron, on 08 May 2018 - 2:02 PM, said:snapback.png

thought we had already solved this. Emotorbikes are cool on trails but uncool in races

 

 

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Motor versus legs = cheating. 

 

thought we had solved this? Ebike on trails no worries - ebikes in races is cheating....

 

 

 

 

I thought we had solved this - ebikes are cool anywhere except races against human powered bicycles :-)

 

There's the viewpoint that they are not progress at all, just that humans are becoming too soft and using tools to compensate for it. That's got a bit of merit but is hardly the general case for ebike riders. I think even this guy would have accepted cassettes by now

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Patchelicious

Nov 7, 2018, 11:01 AM

No, this thread is 75 pages long because people keep coming back and making false defenses for argument that were never put forward.

 

Like your “hate them all you want, hate their owners all you want”

 

FEW people hate eBikes, FEW people hate their owners, but people keep creating this narrative, which then needs to be corrected each time.

Hairy

Nov 7, 2018, 11:28 AM

https://youtu.be/9pe0rNieL-Q?list=RD9pe0rNieL-Q

No, this thread is 75 pages long because people keep coming back and making false defenses for argument that were never put forward.

Like your “hate them all you want, hate their owners all you want”

FEW people hate eBikes, FEW people hate their owners, but people keep creating this narrative, which then needs to be corrected each time.

Thor Buttox

Nov 7, 2018, 11:52 AM

No, this thread is 75 pages long because people keep coming back and making false defenses for argument that were never put forward.

 

Like your “hate them all you want, hate their owners all you want”

 

FEW people hate eBikes, FEW people hate their owners, but people keep creating this narrative, which then needs to be corrected each time.

This ^^^^^. Over. And over. And over.
Headshot

Nov 7, 2018, 11:57 AM

No, this thread is 75 pages long because people keep coming back and making false defenses for argument that were never put forward.

 

Like your “hate them all you want, hate their owners all you want”

 

FEW people hate eBikes, FEW people hate their owners, but people keep creating this narrative, which then needs to be corrected each time.

No come on - I hate them all :-) 

 

I think this thread is long because its fun. Its so easy to get a rise out of an eBike lover and vice versa. 

Eldron

Nov 7, 2018, 11:59 AM

I've engaged in this debate as a non owner of an ebike because I feel they are so badly understood and construed. At the end of the day, unless people actually ride them they won't change their minds. And as is human nature, not everyone will be a convert either.

 

Your declaration that everyone universally agrees with your viewpoint doesn't seem to be holding. It's a little more nuanced than that, with the volume of 75 pages as proof.

 

Eldron, on 08 May 2018 - 2:02 PM, said:snapback.png

 

 

Eldron, on 21 Aug 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:snapback.png

 

 

 

 

 

There's the viewpoint that they are not progress at all, just that humans are becoming too soft and using tools to compensate for it. That's got a bit of merit but is hardly the general case for ebike riders. I think even this guy would have accepted cassettes by now

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Ahhh where to start:

1) You said I'm done with this debate then the very next post was yours....interesting.

2) "I thought" means exactly that. The fact that I (me) thought (opinion not fact). So I/me has an opinion - not me "declaring that everyone agrees with me". If I thought everybody agreed with me I probably would have said something like "everybody agrees with me". You really gotta stop putting words in people's mouth then having a hissy fit about your own words.

3) You're the one making this a hate/love binary agrument when clearly it's a little more complex. An old man/woman with a dodgy knee using an ebike quite different to someone using an ebike to beat their opponents to win a provincial/national medal.

4) Nice pic but yoou're missing the point - gears/suspension/disc brakes and all the related tech are all still human powered. An ebike does (a huge amount) of the work for you.

 

Ultimately nobody here hates ebikes - they have their time and place. That seems** to be the recurring trend in this thread.

 

**please note I used "seems" which means it is my and only my opinion - I am not speaking for every human on the planet except you.

Eldron

Nov 7, 2018, 12:00 PM

This ^^^^^. Over. And over. And over.

 

And some ad nauseum from me.

Thor Buttox

Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 PM

Ahhh where to start:

1) You said I'm done with this debate then the very next post was yours....interesting.

2) "I thought" means exactly that. The fact that I (me) thought (opinion not fact). So I/me has an opinion - not me "declaring that everyone agrees with me". If I thought everybody agreed with me I probably would have said something like "everybody agrees with me". You really gotta stop putting words in people's mouth then having a hissy fit about your own words.

3) You're the one making this a hate/love binary agrument when clearly it's a little more complex. An old man/woman with a dodgy knee using an ebike quite different to someone using an ebike to beat their opponents to win a provincial/national medal.

4) Nice pic but yoou're missing the point - gears/suspension/disc brakes and all the related tech are all still human powered. An ebike does (a huge amount) of the work for you.

 

Ultimately nobody here hates ebikes - they have their time and place. That seems** to be the recurring trend in this thread.

 

**please note I used "seems" which means it is my and only my opinion - I am not speaking for every human on the planet except you.

Hating EBikes is like hating leprosy. They both exist, if you don't have it you aren't bothered particularly and they both cost an arm and a leg.
Robbow

Nov 7, 2018, 12:07 PM

Guys don't give up now.

 

This thread is some of the best most childish banter there is on the Hub :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

popcorn_skollie

Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 PM

A bicycle, in its purist form. Whatever that means. Is in itself physical assistance. 

Its a mode of transportation far more efficient than just walking. Its why it exists as a tool to begin with. I can cover a greater distance quicker and with less effort while using a bicycle as apposed to just running. How well a bicycle does this depends on the bike in question. And many variables are to be considered. We've seen bikes become lighter, the range of drive trains have become wider, wheels got bigger, yada yada yada. And all these improvements have the same objective. To minimize input and maximize output. Why then, are e-bikes not just seen as the next logical step in our progression along the curve of improving this efficiency? 

Eldron

Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 PM

A bicycle, in its purist form. Whatever that means. Is in itself physical assistance. 

Its a mode of transportation far more efficient than just walking. Its why it exists as a tool to begin with. I can cover a greater distance quicker and with less effort while using a bicycle as apposed to just running. How well a bicycle does this depends on the bike in question. And many variables are to be considered. We've seen bikes become lighter, the range of drive trains have become wider, wheels got bigger, yada yada yada. And all these improvements have the same objective. To minimize input and maximize output. Why then, are e-bikes not just seen as the next logical step in our progression along the curve of improving this efficiency? 

 

The problem with that logic is that we have already maximised the minimum input/maximum output problem - we invented a motorbike. No input - all output.

 

 If we are forced to give it a name along the "efficiency improving line" then the ebike would be a gap closing regression I guess....

Riamich

Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 PM

It seems the E-Roadbike will be next. Guess the KOm on Suikerbossie will be out of reach from now on. Ban them from Strava, it will make flagging rides a nightmare.

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Robbow

Nov 7, 2018, 12:45 PM

It seems the E-Roadbike will be next. Guess the KOm on Suikerbossie will be out of reach from now on. Ban them from Strava, it will make flagging rides a nightmare.

 

There was one of those at Shova this year.

 

That is easily distinguishable as an ebike.

 

Look at the new Orbea Gain...ebike indeed  ;)  

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Headshot

Nov 7, 2018, 1:08 PM

I think the most ludicrous thing is how that road bike looks, well like a normal road bike (mechanical doping anyone?). At least most eMTBs dont fool anyone. 

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