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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

coppi

Jun 21, 2017, 9:51 AM

And then you read the article that is curretly front page on the Hub - of the Sani2C photographer on the eBike ....

 

 

 

Maybe one day we will have an eBike class ??

 

 

I currently ride SHORT distance .. all my bust knees can do.  Only a few years and the little one will be too fast for me, and wanting longer distances .....  I may well then get an eBike to ride with him .....  NO transponder, no bragging rights for time or position, purely to get the best out of our time together.

 

 

 

For those that dont have shower facilities at work .... light cycle to work, with plenty electrical assistance, then a harder cycle in the afternoon .....

 

 

 

Should these bikes "compete" with standard bikes - heck NO !!  But there certainly are many out there that can actually get some real use out of this new technology ......

 

 

see THIS is what happens when you visit a Specialized store .. they warp your brain ...  :devil:   :devil:

Well written, I agree.

My Mrs.  uses an e-bike and we go for long rides together without her having to stress about the hills. It is also a good workout for me as I battle to keep up with her on these hills as she motor paces me  :blush:

IH8MUD

Aug 17, 2017, 1:50 PM

Bit of an old thread, but this is Moab's take in the matter.

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http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/stories/2014/11/21/max_1653733_793262870736749_2765881818956663103_n_947190.jpg?1416595988

Duane_Bosch

Aug 17, 2017, 1:54 PM

Looks like a 6 year old photoshopped that last pic.

Pure Savage

Aug 17, 2017, 1:55 PM

Bit of an old thread, but recently this is Moab's take in the matter.

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http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/stories/2014/11/21/max_1653733_793262870736749_2765881818956663103_n_947190.jpg?1416595988

They going to have to ask the UCI for their scanner to check for motors  :whistling:  :whistling:  :whistling:

 

If the UCI cannot stop motors in WT races, whats the chance of some little trail stopping them?

Shebeen

Aug 17, 2017, 2:01 PM

Bit of an old thread, but this is Moab's take in the matter.

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http://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/stories/2014/11/21/max_1653733_793262870736749_2765881818956663103_n_947190.jpg?1416595988

 

 

I'm for ebikes being allowed on trails, as long as the restrictions are outlined. it must be obvious that if you rock up with your motorbike you will be charged.

 

I'm also for trails to be pedal only - they can choose to keep it that way, the ebike riding mtbers will go to another trail close by.

Eldron

Aug 17, 2017, 2:57 PM

Here in Copenhagen e-bikes are scorned by riders! The old and invalid use them and then only if they're really old and really invalidded. Oh and mailman. In Denmark old people *** you out if you give them your seat on thr bus. I like that. A lot.

 

E-bikes should be "last resort" in my opinion. How farkon soft has society got that people "need" ebikes? Very few people actually need ebikes. They're just farkin soft.

Shebeen

Aug 18, 2017, 5:52 AM

Riders like to defend their local trails.

 

But nothing close to surfers and their local breaks. I see some okes peeing their wetsuits brown when these turn up at the backline.

 

 

 

And since somehow SUPs got accepted, you can't really argue against these

ChrisF

Aug 18, 2017, 9:49 AM

Here in Copenhagen e-bikes are scorned by riders! The old and invalid use them and then only if they're really old and really invalidded. Oh and mailman. In Denmark old people *** you out if you give them your seat on thr bus. I like that. A lot.

 

E-bikes should be "last resort" in my opinion. How farkon soft has society got that people "need" ebikes? Very few people actually need ebikes. They're just farkin soft.

 

YES, physically fit and capable people have no "need" for ebikes.

 

BUT, thanks to a lazy generation the technology is developing fast .... opening a whole new world of options for those with limited mobility

 

 

PROBLEM - when you get a physically fit person getting on an ebike, then become a snake causing trouble on a trail ....  Look at the various YouTube videos of the 2017 series of ebikes - all showing of agressive riding styles.  Promoting a new breed of trail snakes .... I would not want to share a trail with such ....

 

 

Due to my knees and arthritis my riding is restricted to SHORT and docile rides.  FINE for now !  I get to enjoy the outdoors with the little one.  And I get valuable mobility and training while doing these short rides.  Few years from now the little one will be going further and faster than my knees will allow - I WILL then get an ebike, and enjoy a few more years on the trails with him.  (Have the option to buy a 2nd-hand one now, but as I dont (k)need it know I will happily carry on with my short unassisted rides.)  And as a previous poster said - perfect solution for a husband and wife to spend time together, without the wife struggling to keep up ....

lechatnoir

Aug 18, 2017, 10:11 AM

PROBLEM - when you get a physically fit person getting on an ebike, then become a snake causing trouble on a trail ....  Look at the various YouTube videos of the 2017 series of ebikes - all showing of agressive riding styles.  Promoting a new breed of trail snakes .... I would not want to share a trail with such ....

 

 

So, as I see it, you are advocating the thread title to be changed to 'Do D!cks belong on the mountain?' eD!ck to coin a phrase!!

 

i think the answer is no, they don't belong on the mountain

Shebeen

Aug 18, 2017, 10:20 AM

Here in Copenhagen e-bikes are scorned by riders! The old and invalid use them and then only if they're really old and really invalidded. Oh and mailman. In Denmark old people *** you out if you give them your seat on thr bus. I like that. A lot.

 

E-bikes should be "last resort" in my opinion. How farkon soft has society got that people "need" ebikes? Very few people actually need ebikes. They're just farkin soft.

Same argument as you got Dura Ace* on your bike, you don't need that when Sora* works just as well (*replace whatever groupset you want to make the point)

 

That was the exact opposite to my experience in amsterdam when they were just taking off, but this is now going back to 2009. People in business suits riding to work is awesome, the more that can do it the better.

Headshot

Aug 18, 2017, 10:27 AM

I tried an ebike and I liked it. But it definitely required a deeper immersion in the art of pushing buttons and gear selection. I think there is a great market for the heavy hitting trail bike variety ( as most seem to be)  to get you up jeep tracks as easily as possible so you can enjoy the descents fresher and more often. 

Captain Fastbastard Mayhem

Aug 18, 2017, 10:49 AM

I tried an ebike and I liked it. But it definitely required a deeper immersion in the art of pushing buttons and gear selection. I think there is a great market for the heavy hitting trail bike variety ( as most seem to be)  to get you up jeep tracks as easily as possible so you can enjoy the descents fresher and more often. 

The very reason I'd be prepared to drop some dough on the Turbo Levo or equivalent. 

Duane_Bosch

Aug 18, 2017, 10:51 AM

I THINK THEY SHOULD BE BANNED!!!!

 

 

Just after I get to try one.

 

It is an interesting conundrum tho. How do you ban E Bikes at a place like Jonkers when their biggest proponent, Specialized, is the biggest contributor to trail building in the area?

tubed

Aug 18, 2017, 11:30 AM

My old man is 82 next week and still riding, albeit with the help of some epower nowadays.

 

At this stage I'll savour every single ride I can with him - who knows how many more we have left.

Paddaman

Aug 18, 2017, 11:52 AM

For commuting e bikes are acceptable.

If you are doing holiday touring ebikes are acceptable.

When you are racing against other ebikes, ebikes are acceptable.

 

When you enter an UCI event or any event against normal bikes, then you the biggest form of trash know (except for dopers and Grace Mugabe).

 

When you ride on trails on an ebike, then you should be be over 65, have suffered a serious injury (possibly loss of limb) and have a letter on you signed by both of your living parents attesting to the extent of your injury.

Eldron

Aug 18, 2017, 12:08 PM

Same argument as you got Dura Ace* on your bike, you don't need that when Sora* works just as well (*replace whatever groupset you want to make the point)

 

That was the exact opposite to my experience in amsterdam when they were just taking off, but this is now going back to 2009. People in business suits riding to work is awesome, the more that can do it the better.

 

Different argument in my opinion - one is getting a better bike (Dura Ace) - the other is getting half a motorbike. Apples and oranges.

 

I have nothing against using e-bike to fill in for handicaps/weaknesses  - allowing older people to remain cyclists, extend range of people wanting to ride to work, allowing special needs people to be cyclists but I draw the line at fit/healthy cyclists being lazy and/or simply wanting to go faster.

 

I really don't get it. If you want to go really fast buy a motorbike. If you like downhills then hit actual downhills with a shuttle.

 

This whole "oh I like the downhills but couldn't arsed to ride the uphills so I plan on getting an ebike to go and shred the descents on the local trails" thing fuddles my brains.

 

All my own opinion of course - I'm all for anyone doing whatever they want as long as it doesn't interfere with other people doing what they want. I guess that means I'll never own one (until I'm oooold) and would prefer to not have them on the trails. Logic dictates that they should be allowed on the trails as long as they aren't powerful enough to rip up trail motox style and the riders don't roost and/or tear past people at stupid/dangerous speed.

Thor Buttox

Aug 18, 2017, 12:46 PM

Different argument in my opinion - one is getting a better bike (Dura Ace) - the other is getting half a motorbike. Apples and oranges.

 

I have nothing against using e-bike to fill in for handicaps/weaknesses - allowing older people to remain cyclists, extend range of people wanting to ride to work, allowing special needs people to be cyclists but I draw the line at fit/healthy cyclists being lazy and/or simply wanting to go faster.

 

I really don't get it. If you want to go really fast buy a motorbike. If you like downhills then hit actual downhills with a shuttle.

 

This whole "oh I like the downhills but couldn't arsed to ride the uphills so I plan on getting an ebike to go and shred the descents on the local trails" thing fuddles my brains.

 

All my own opinion of course - I'm all for anyone doing whatever they want as long as it doesn't interfere with other people doing what they want. I guess that means I'll never own one (until I'm oooold) and would prefer to not have them on the trails. Logic dictates that they should be allowed on the trails as long as they aren't powerful enough to rip up trail motox style and the riders don't roost and/or tear past people at stupid/dangerous speed.

Depends what a dangerous speed is. Seems one fellow just smashed the KOM of one of our Savages around Contermans on one of these things (there is a picture of it on the ride). Knowing how fast the Savages go, being a full 2mins faster around there must be hazardous. :whistling:
Hairy

Aug 18, 2017, 1:14 PM

Depends what a dangerous speed is. Seems one fellow just smashed the KOM of one of our Savages around Contermans on one of these things (there is a picture of it on the ride). Knowing how fast the Savages go, being a full 2mins faster around there must be hazardous. :whistling:

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Thor Buttox

Aug 18, 2017, 2:02 PM

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Not sure how to link to the app but you can search the segments.

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Hairy

Aug 18, 2017, 2:15 PM

ok, my strava skills are pathetic ... can't find much 

Duane_Bosch

Aug 18, 2017, 2:24 PM

ok, my strava skills are pathetic ... can't find much 

Much like the toolbag that logged that ride. You can mark a ride as a E-bike ride.

 

Doing what he did is like putting a banana in your underpants.

Hairy

Aug 18, 2017, 2:27 PM

Much like the toolbag that logged that ride. You can mark a ride as a E-bike ride.

 

Doing what he did is like putting a banana in your underpants.

I asked you not to tell anyone......

Thor Buttox

Aug 18, 2017, 2:29 PM

Much like the toolbag that logged that ride. You can mark a ride as a E-bike ride.

 

Doing what he did is like putting a banana in your underpants.

I know deep down that Strava is dof and could go bang tomorrow, but there is this annoying 'fair play' gene I have that makes me really want to throttle okes who don't make their things private or mark as 'e-bike' or worse, 'car'. Mostly cos I have massive respect for the actual lap time of the Savage and would give my testicle to be able to do it.
Duane_Bosch

Aug 18, 2017, 2:34 PM

I know deep down that Strava is dof and could go bang tomorrow, but there is this annoying 'fair play' gene I have that makes me really want to throttle okes who don't make their things private or mark as 'e-bike' or worse, 'car'. Mostly cos I have massive respect for the actual lap time of the Savage and would give my testicle to be able to do it.

Ja look we all know it's not real.

 

But it's like smoking in a restaurant. You aren't ACTUALLY going to give everyone in the restaurant lung cancer but it tells everyone that you have no respect for them and that you are a selfish dick.

 

I've no problem with e bikes. But you don't go around claiming KOMs on them. 

Thor Buttox

Aug 18, 2017, 2:45 PM

Ja look we all know it's not real.

 

But it's like smoking in a restaurant. You aren't ACTUALLY going to give everyone in the restaurant lung cancer but it tells everyone that you have no respect for them and that you are a selfish ****.

 

I've no problem with e bikes. But you don't go around claiming KOMs on them.

Someone solved the issue already, it seems. Perhaps an 'Ebike d*ckery' thread is actually the way to stop this debate and let the old, feeble and rich like Myles ride their Ebikes in peace and quiet...

 

(That may have been purposefully ambiguous... Or not ????)

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