Anti-Doping Rule Violation: Tyronne White

Well on that point apparently they are not seeking any financial remuneration or legal case against anyone. Only for his name to be cleared but have spent a lot of money fighting this already.

 

To me that sounds like the Guptas only wanting their bank accounts back but are not prepared to seek the court's assistance and for the same reason; they don't want their version subjected to scrutiny and cross examination.

If a professional's negligence cost me 18 months of a short sportsman's career and my good reputation for ever, I can see only one reason NOT to seek redress and that is because I don't want my story ridiculed in the open.

It brings in another interesting question, and raised with all the recent TUEs released by the russian hackers: should you be racing if you are that sick that you need medicine?

 

Not aimed at Ty or anyone specific, just asking questions.

Devil's advocate: If you need medicine, should you just sit on the couch and watch TV?  Wait, you're not allowed the watch TV, because the medication you're on are eye drops.

Where do you draw the line?  When are you allowed to live a life?

Devil's advocate: If you need medicine, should you just sit on the couch and watch TV? Wait, you're not allowed the watch TV, because the medication you're on are eye drops.

 

Where do you draw the line? When are you allowed to live a life?

Read the MPCC guidelines. Membership is voluntary and there's not many WT teams left mainly because it doesn't suit them. Riders are withdrawn from racing when sick or when they fail health checks. Astana was the most recent team to withdraw last year.

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The human kind?

As opposed to the Veterinarian kind? Are they cost saving by using the local Vet in the medical tent?

Devil's advocate: If you need medicine, should you just sit on the couch and watch TV? Wait, you're not allowed the watch TV, because the medication you're on are eye drops.

 

Where do you draw the line? When are you allowed to live a life?

If you belong to a professional TV watching sport organisation and their rules forbid any medicine (I guess eye drops for them would be like epo for cyclists!) then yes, you shouldn't.

But your example is not really comparing apples with them apples?!

If you belong to a professional TV watching sport organisation and their rules forbid any medicine (I guess eye drops for them would be like epo for cyclists!) then yes, you shouldn't.

 

But your example is not really comparing apples with them apples?!

I'm trying to illustrate that

• there are illnesses that need treatment
• the point of any treatment is to bring you back to normal (not supernormal) -- or as normal as possible.  You should be able to live a normal life.
• the sport has rules for treating illnesses (TUEs)

As opposed to the Veterinarian kind? Are they cost saving by using the local Vet in the medical tent?

What happened to the pharmacist? Surely an admission of dispensing drugs in such a way that they contaminate each other is an admision of professional negligence that should lead to discipline from the professional registering body?

 

Well yes- but I don't see the harm created in this instance that justifies a moral intervention- it's all by admission an innocent mistake - unless you suspect someone is lying..

Like Daryls pharmacist?

The anonymous pharmacist who provided a statement, was never cross examined and did not appear in person? Nothing happened to him as he was never named. SAIDS accepted the version of how the drugs got there as they had stuffed the whole testing procedure to the max.

Some would say he never existed. But they are only sceptics who are sick of dopers and their lies.

The anonymous pharmacist who provided a statement, was never cross examined and did not appear in person? Nothing happened to him as he was never named. SAIDS accepted the version of how the drugs got there as they had stuffed the whole testing procedure to the max.

 

Some would say he never existed. But they are only sceptics who are sick of dopers and their lies.

And we simply accept this?

And we simply accept this?

Actually there was video evidence date stamped that came from surveillance cameras showing the pharmacist dispensing the medication along with computer records showing what was dispensed and sold at what time. That formed the basis of the contamination claim and that is what was accepted. But anyway

Makes a much more fun story to say that Daryl came up with an excuse and it was simply a accepted.

Devil's advocate: If you need medicine, should you just sit on the couch and watch TV?  Wait, you're not allowed the watch TV, because the medication you're on are eye drops.

 

Where do you draw the line?  When are you allowed to live a life?

its not an arbitrary line. The line is drawn by WADA. Its called the banned substances list. By partaking in the sport, you agree on that line. You dont get to compete in the sport then afterwards complain about the line. If you dont like the line, dont compete in the sport

Actually there was video evidence date stamped that came from surveillance cameras showing the pharmacist dispensing the medication along with computer records showing what was dispensed and sold at what time. That formed the basis of the contamination claim and that is what was accepted. But anyway

 

Makes a much more fun story to say that Daryl came up with an excuse and it was simply a accepted.

Ok then its confirmed that the pharmacist was negligent, and due to his negligence he almost ruined a GT rider's career!!

What happened to him? 

Ps: I live in JHB, so I would to know which pharmacist this is so that I can avoid it, I don't want to be accidently poisoned. 

Ok then its confirmed that the pharmacist was negligent, and due to his negligence he almost ruined a GT rider's career!!

 

What happened to him? 

 

Ps: I live in JHB, so I would to know which pharmacist this is so that I can avoid it, I don't want to be accidently poisoned. 

If I recall, the pharmacist was in Durban.

If I recall, the pharmacist was in Durban.

Ok, I have family there, don't want them accidentally poisoned......

Ok, I have family there, don't want them accidentally poisoned......

[emoji23] [emoji23] ja it was during SA champs that all of this happened.. does anyone know if the bicarb capsules actually help prevent cramping - or what did he use it for. ? As I recall it was bicarb that was put into these contaminated capsules...

bicarb increases the ability of the muscle to withstand ph changes - https://cyclingtips.com/2016/06/improving-performance-with-bicarb-soda-how-it-works-and-how-to-do-it/

IV bicarb has been shown to increase short term performance - but I am not sure what effects small quantities via the gut have in  the literature

bicarb increases the ability of the muscle to withstand ph changes - https://cyclingtips.com/2016/06/improving-performance-with-bicarb-soda-how-it-works-and-how-to-do-it/

 

IV bicarb has been shown to increase short term performance - but I am not sure what effects small quantities via the gut have in the literature

its not an arbitrary line. The line is drawn by WADA. Its called the banned substances list. By partaking in the sport, you agree on that line. You dont get to compete in the sport then afterwards complain about the line. If you dont like the line, dont compete in the sport

WADA has drawn a second line: the TUE line.  Substances that you're allowed to take, but must ask permission for.  You agree to this line too.

That line says that there are valid reasons to take certain medications.  When your well being requires the drug, and you can justify that, you're allowed to take the drug.

One such reason is diabetes.  If you can prove you have diabetes, you are allowed to take insulin.  If you don't have diabetes, you're not allowed to take insulin.

I don't feel right telling a diabetic: if you want to ride your bike, you must stop with your insulin injections.  I think a diabetic should be allowed to live his life, and it's great that medical science now allows for that.

(there are actually two TUE lines: acute and chronic)

Actually there was video evidence date stamped that came from surveillance cameras showing the pharmacist dispensing the medication along with computer records showing what was dispensed and sold at what time. That formed the basis of the contamination claim and that is what was accepted. But anyway

 

Makes a much more fun story to say that Daryl came up with an excuse and it was simply a accepted.

But here in lies my gripe.

Why not publish this somewhere where people and fans and supporters etc can SEE it???

After so many years after this is the first "follow up" I have heard/read.

Would be nice.......

And it can eliminate SOME of the chirri chirri behind the back wispers, no?

[emoji23] [emoji23] ja it was during SA champs that all of this happened.. does anyone know if the bicarb capsules actually help prevent cramping - or what did he use it for. ? As I recall it was bicarb that was put into these contaminated capsules...

There are quite a lot of interesting literature on Bicarb.......

I have experimented on it....it turns out you ride a HELL OF LOT FASTER because you get serious case of the backdoor trots.......  

There are quite a lot of interesting literature on Bicarb.......

I have experimented on it....it turns out you ride a HELL OF LOT FASTER because you get serious case of the backdoor trots.......  

And here I thought it was because of the secret ingredient:

Bicarbonate of Soda

WADA has drawn a second line: the TUE line. Substances that you're allowed to take, but must ask permission for. You agree to this line too.

 

That line says that there are valid reasons to take certain medications. When your well being requires the drug, and you can justify that, you're allowed to take the drug.

 

One such reason is diabetes. If you can prove you have diabetes, you are allowed to take insulin. If you don't have diabetes, you're not allowed to take insulin.

 

I don't feel right telling a diabetic: if you want to ride your bike, you must stop with your insulin injections. I think a diabetic should be allowed to live his life, and it's great that medical science now allows for that.

 

(there are actually two TUE lines: acute and chronic)

Wiggo got a cute TUE for 'chronic' condition?

Out of interest sake, any feedback on this story?