Adverse analytical finding in recent mountain bike stage race

Debt recovery is expensive.

In my field, any bad debts less than R35k we write off....it costs more to recover properly. and is a headache.

hence why you suggest a small fee each month. It'll cost them more to sue than the actual money.

tell them you a pineapple farmer, and you can only pay in pineapples monthly

you can give them a Whole sales pitch, if they dont want to eat them they can USE THEM

That's what I suggested to the UCI. I cc'd William Newman (the big cheese at CSA) in on the mail and await a response. I was provisionally suspended from all races until the outcome. A few ppl have suggested just racing anyway and stuff CSA, but that's not the right thing to do. Also, the last thing I need is a heaftier sentence for blatant defiance. I'll take the 2 years, but there's no way I'm paying a fine. Telling them it's not within my financial means is not just a story, it's a fact, and that's exactly what I've said.

I don't get you lot. When a thread comes up of some guy cheating, everyone calls for the book to be thrown at them. "Ban them for life" are the calls. Full consequence of the rules must apply.

Here the OP has admitted to doping, is not contesting that he cheated. The OP has always said he will accept the consequence of his actions and he knew what would happen if he got caught. But now that the consequences are here, the OP does not want them. And more to the point, everyone seems to agree, it is to harsh. Lesser sentence, allow him to race. Stuff the rules, just do what you want.

What nonsense. You did the crime, do the time. As the OP says, it is the right thing to do.

No bucks for the 'fine'... entry to Epic & S2C are REAL cheap

Obviously you did not read the whole thread.

I don't get you lot. When a thread come up of some guy cheating, everyone calls for the book to the be thrown at them. "Ban them for life" are the calls. Full consequence of the rules must apply.

 

Here the OP has admitted to doping, is not contesting that he cheated. The OP has always said he will accept the consequence of his actions and he knew what would happen if he got caught. But now that the consequences are here, the OP does not want them. And more to the point, everyone seems to agree, it is to harsh. Lesser sentence, allow him to race. Stuff the rules, just do what you want.

 

What nonsense. You did the crime, do the time. As the OP says, it is the right thing to do.

Some suggest he do the races, yes, but I think you're missing the point here. Why punish a guy to death when he's admitted it all? He's willing to accept the 2 year ban, which is a rather hectic punishment. But now they want to nail hiom with a HUGE fine. We as South Aricans cannot be paying in another currency with our weak one. R2500, by all means, maybe even to max R10k.

It reminds me of this Afrikaans joke:

'n Grap is 'n grap, maar 'n mens maak nie 'n sambreel in 'n man se gat oop nie.

You did the crime, do the time. As the OP says, it is the right thing to do.

He is prepared to do the time, did you not read properly??

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Why do you not want to pay? You have admitted that you knew what you were doing when you took your first shot of drugs. You continually say you want to do the right thing.

The right thing would be to accept the fine and consequences for what you did and then get on with it.

I don't believe the "I cannot afford the fine" is a valid argument.

They could easily arrange an affordable payment schedule over a longer time period probably with some interest added, which if its swiss based will be pretty low luckily.

The question will also arise how you could afford to do the event (not only the entry fee but all the other associated costs) or that you could sell your mtb and equipment to help contribute towards the cost.

He is prepared to do the time, did you not read properly??

Koukie, lets not get personal. There is no need for that.

The ruling is a fine and a ban. That is what he should do.

Okay, seems my post regarding entry to Epic & S2C were offsides? If the OP is banned for 2 years, sell the bike/bikes to pay the 'fine'?

Okay, seems my post regarding entry to Epic & S2C were offsides? If the OP is banned for 2 years, sell the bike/bikes to pay the 'fine'?

Why sell the bikes? Is he not allowed to ride at a personal capacity either?

tell them you a pineapple farmer, and you can only pay in pineapples monthly

you can give them a Whole sales pitch, if they dont want to eat them they can USE THEM

Have you any idea how expensive / complicated it is to export pineapples to EU or Switz?

I don't get you lot. When a thread come up of some guy cheating, everyone calls for the book to the be thrown at them. "Ban them for life" are the calls. Full consequence of the rules must apply.

 

Here the OP has admitted to doping, is not contesting that he cheated. The OP has always said he will accept the consequence of his actions and he knew what would happen if he got caught. But now that the consequences are here, the OP does not want them. And more to the point, everyone seems to agree, it is to harsh. Lesser sentence, allow him to race. Stuff the rules, just do what you want.

 

What nonsense. You did the crime, do the time. As the OP says, it is the right thing to do.

Tumbles is the OP. Did I miss something? Did he also admit to doping? Maybe dopping at his favourite pub.

But I agree with the rest of your post.

Why sell the bikes? Is he not allowed to ride at a personal capacity either?

He must sit in the naughty corner and think about what he has done.

Just been reading through this. Not many fines levied…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling

Definately not.

 

He must sit in the naughty corner and think about what he has done.

i think he has been doing that since the EPIC

Tumbles is the OP. Did I miss something? Did he also admit to doping? Maybe dopping at his favourite pub.

But I agree with the rest of your post.

Hahahahaha!

I do share a first name with the person in question…

Hahahahaha!

 

I do share a first name with the person in question…

Some suggest he do the races, yes, but I think you're missing the point here. Why punish a guy to death when he's admitted it all? He's willing to accept the 2 year ban, which is a rather hectic punishment. But now they want to nail hiom with a HUGE fine. We as South Aricans cannot be paying in another currency with our weak one. R2500, by all means, maybe even to max R10k.

 

It reminds me of this Afrikaans joke:

 

'n Grap is 'n grap, maar 'n mens maak nie 'n sambreel in 'n man se gat oop nie.

There are a few separate issues here.

1. He cheated, took drugs. Loads of other riders who have been caught got 2 yr bans and no one argued for a lesser sentence in those cases. Most times, it was that the bans should have been life time.

2. Just because he is South Africa, should not mean any preferential treatment.

3. The size of the fine should have nothing to do with it. Rules got broken. The rider has always admitted that he will deal with the consequences of his actions. Now that those consequences have been dealt out, it seems everyone like some side stepping wants to be done.

Double poster!!!!!!

That's a lifetime ban for me!

Some suggest he do the races, yes, but I think you're missing the point here. Why punish a guy to death when he's admitted it all? He's willing to accept the 2 year ban, which is a rather hectic punishment. But now they want to nail hiom with a HUGE fine. We as South Aricans cannot be paying in another currency with our weak one. R2500, by all means, maybe even to max R10k.

 

It reminds me of this Afrikaans joke:

 

'n Grap is 'n grap, maar 'n mens maak nie 'n sambreel in 'n man se gat oop nie.

R2 500 is a set of brakes. Hardly a serious fine in the context of a UCI event.

Why sell the bikes? Is he not allowed to ride at a personal capacity either?

The idea as said, is him not being able to afford the fine? If 'rules' stipulate that 'fines' as well as a ban are applicable in doping, then surely a plan must be made? If I cant afford to pay bond, car repayments etc. what happens to my house & car? I just tell the bank that I cant afford them and they let me keep them but just pay whatever I can?

Why sell the bikes? Is he not allowed to ride at a personal capacity either?

The idea as said, is him not being able to afford the fine? If 'rules' stipulate that 'fines' as well as a ban are applicable in doping, then surely a plan must be made? If I cant afford to pay bond, car repayments etc. what happens to my house & car? I just tell the bank that I cant afford them and they let me keep them but just pay whatever I can?

R2 500 is a set of brakes. Hardly a serious fine in the context of a UCI event.

Fair point. But look at that list that TW posted, no one got fines, why should he then?

That's what I suggested to the UCI. I cc'd William Newman (the big cheese at CSA) in on the mail and await a response. I was provisionally suspended from all races until the outcome. A few ppl have suggested just racing anyway and stuff CSA, but that's not the right thing to do. Also, the last thing I need is a heaftier sentence for blatant defiance. I'll take the 2 years, but there's no way I'm paying a fine. Telling them it's not within my financial means is not just a story, it's a fact, and that's exactly what I've said.