Adverse Analytical Finding – in-competition test

All these guys complaining about a Vet getting tested, are scared that you are next?

I didn't see anyone complain, puzzled yes, complaining about a totally random individual who most likely took a tablet to help him lose weight ,yes that is puzzling.

• Impotence - Who needs sex when you look good and can ride in elite bunch.
  
• Changes in libido - more time for long rides.
  

 

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Ok puzzled then, I would see it as follow.

Junior sees dad popping a pill before a race:

Junior: "Why are you taking those pills daddy?"

Dad: "Ag, just for that extra oomph son"

Junior gets dropped on the race and is miffed because daddy does so good.

Next race junior recons he should also maybe try daddy's pills to help him and junior wins the race.

Two outcomes; junior dies at young age or gets busted for doping at Elite level.

The product he would have taken is Phen375, a well known diet/weight loss product.

Used to be sold in Clicks and Dischem, etc (not sure if it still is).

Pinned for taking a diet pill. What’s next, being banned for drinking too much espresso?

You missing the point, the sub5 arguser would not even know that he "doped"

I know what you meant Was just my lame attempt at humour

Ok puzzled then, I would see it as follow.

 

Junior sees dad popping a pill before a race:

 

Junior: "Why are you taking those pills daddy?"

 

Dad: "Ag, just for that extra oomph son"

 

Junior gets dropped on the race and is miffed because daddy does so good.

 

Next race junior recons he should also maybe try daddy's pills to help him and junior wins the race.

 

Two outcomes; junior dies at young age or gets busted for doping at Elite level.

Perhaps you are over dramatising this.

How about a fat guy decides to lose weight because he has big hills to ride, goes to Dischem and buys a tablet that guarantees rapid weight loss, he decides to buy the bottle or box because he has "big hills to ride"

He is not in the front bunch , never makes the podium and probably never heard of doping before, he gets pulled out randomly as random middle of the packers generally don't care what they take, the drug testing peeps decide they need to look good in the eye of the cycling public, take the gamble and boom, they won another battle for the cause of CYCLING.

Let's not forget, cycling is the real winner here.

Goodness me, at this rate they are going to make more and more totally oblivious yet good people look like dopers and criminals.

Why do they only test MTB Vets and not road as well?

Perhaps you are over dramatising this.

How about a fat guy decides to lose weight because he has big hills to ride, goes to Dischem and buys a tablet that guarantees rapid weight loss, he decides to buy the bottle or box because he has "big hills to ride"

He is not in the front bunch , never makes the podium and probably never heard of doping before, he gets pulled out randomly as random middle of the packers generally don't care what they take, the drug testing peeps decide they need to look good in the eye of the cycling public, take the gamble and boom, they won another battle for the cause of CYCLING.

Let's not forget, cycling is the real winner here.

Goodness me, at this rate they are going to make more and more totally oblivious yet good people look like dopers and criminals. - And quit cycling .

The product he would have taken is Phen375, a well known diet/weight loss product.

 

Used to be sold in Clicks and Dischem, etc (not sure if it still is).

 

Pinned for taking a diet pill. What’s next, being banned for drinking too much espresso?

Years ago caffiene was on the banned list yes. So that might just have been a possibility!

Even worse, seems he's also been racing in the wrong age group. Competed with the Junior Boys at Nationals last year…

http://www.cyclingsa.com/App_Resources/Uploads/FILE00002584.pdf

Why do they only test MTB Vets and not road as well?

they do! once retired from road and go onto MTB

Why do they only test MTB Vets and not road as well?

Just a guess, a totally random answer and speculation.

Could be that the roadie vets (some perhaps) do the real doping thing and unlike Mr. Weightloss Tablet they take masking agents and the gamble of testing them to return a negative versus Mr. Random got off the couch two or three years ago and does stuff normal people do is almost guaranteed to return a positive.

So they don't have the budget to effectively test our pro's, but they are again testing non-competitive riders... eish

I use a handful of drugs every day ( high blood pressure, diabetics, etc ) and if someone had to come to me after a race to draw blood ,I would tell them to .....off. Surely " they " need your permission first ?

CSA............... finger on the pulse as always

So they don't have the budget to effectively test our pro's, but they are again testing non-competitive riders... eish

They don't have a budget to take a test that will possibly return a negative result (just my guess)

I use a handful of drugs every day ( high blood pressure, diabetics, etc ) and if someone had to come to me after a race a would tell them to .....off. Surely " they " need your permission first ?

They don't have a budget to take a test that will possibly return a negative result (just my guess)

Or do they have spies in the Dischem/Clicks sports supplement isles

You do a sanctioned event (day or proper license), you are subject to their rules and regs... ie testing

But how do they know Joe Average is going to test positive - it's a far larger pool?

Or do they have spies in the Dischem/Clicks sports supplement isles

Isn't one of the criteria that they have tattoos and look like bodybuilders

@andrew how do they know ?

It's like gambling, they have to test, but they also want to show they are doing their job properly and are cleaning up the sport.

The real dopers are clever, Mr. Average like most people on this hub slips all sorts of vitamins and supplements in to their mouths without even thinking about being tested, call then a soft target, and if I was a gambling man, that's the nie I would go for to increase my odds.

Double post

Pro's should make it their business to know what they take, where as regular folk could inadvertently take something that will let him/her test positive, without ever intending to better performance.

This poor guy now gets the same ban as somebody that has taken EPO... The punishment should fit the crime IMHO

@andrew how do they know ?

It's like gambling, they have to test, but they also want to show they are doing their job properly and are cleaning up the sport.

The real dopers are clever, Mr. Average like most people on this hub slips all sorts of vitamins and supplements in to their mouths without even thinking about being tested, call then a soft target, and if I was a gambling man, that's the nie I would go for to increase my odds.

I am also inclined to say that I think they measure their success on how many postives they found...from who doesnt matter. Its another notch in the belt. Their performance should rather be how many tests are performed on professionals and the consistency of testing...that speak more than a positive from piet pompies from kakemas

I think lots of mid-field/social riders would test positive. So many people use 'pre-workout' gym stimulants etc during cyvling events... Most of these supplements would test positive.