Yolande de Villiers sanctioned for anti-doping rule violation

to prove herself on this is purely up to her.

But what i can say about Yolande de Villiers is that she is one of the nicest pro's i have ever met.

Always time for other racers and kids.

She has 3 daughters. .can see why she would ever want to disappointment them.

Then while we on the topic.

Cycling unions or whatever they want to call themselfs must grow some balls..this 2 year or 11 month bans ect is bull****.

Dopers should be banned for life.

Not quite so simple - but it is one of the few I have seen that has allowable levels (which are insanely high for clinical use, and far above the reccomended daily dosages)

 

One has to be somewhat careful to make sure you use all possible names of all constituents of the medication being checked - sometimes trade names work, sometimes they don't - so it's a case of being VERY careful about what you take - and there is also the complication that some homeopathic/unscheduled "meds" are not very well documented in their actual constituents, so very hard to be 100% sure on what is actually in them - supplements especially have this issue - only the manufacturer (maybe) knows EXACTLY what went into it - the labelling is often very marginal.

I have actually attempted checking supplements.  You need Google and Wikipedia to find all the synonyms for the ingredients.  It's not easy; and the supplement guys seem to want to obfuscate it.

That, of course, assumes that what's in the tin is what's written on the side.  I'm a strong proponent of stricter rules there, likewise with herbal meds.

Homeopathy (vs. herbal/unscheduled) is easy: it contains nothing by definition.  If there's something in there, it's not homeopathic.

What are you on? I'm on my bike 6 hours a day.

 

Credit: Armstrong, Lance

Lance Armstrong Nike Commercial against doping. 2001

​Tour de France is lucky he saved them from that messy Festina affair 

I have actually attempted checking supplements.  You need Google and Wikipedia to find all the synonyms for the ingredients.  It's not easy; and the supplement guys seem to want to obfuscate it.

 

That, of course, assumes that what's in the tin is what's written on the side.  I'm a strong proponent of stricter rules there, likewise with herbal meds.

 

Homeopathy (vs. herbal/unscheduled) is easy: it contains nothing by definition.  If there's something in there, it's not homeopathic.

Supplements is a whole new problem area. They of course will never guarantee the supplements are without prohibited substances and the biggest risk is contamination by other products they sell.

Did you know that the supplement companies use specially tested batches for their athletes? They would take a normal batch and test it and if clean give that to their sponsored and other athletes. Actually thinking now, what happens to the not clean batches mmm...

From the US, but read this: Most Americans are unaware that designer steroids and other dangerous drugs are intentionally being sold as dietary supplements and that current law makes it too easy for these products to get to the market. Best estimates suggest that there are hundreds of supplement products currently available that contain one or more of approximately 20 to 25 designer steroids alone. For example, in a 2004 study funded by the International Olympic Committee, 18.8 percent of the 245 supplements analyzed from the United States were found positive for steroids. In a 2007 HFL study, of the 54 supplements that were analyzed for stimulants, 6 were positive (11.1 percent); of the 52 supplements analyzed for steroids, 13 were positive (25 percent).

http://www.usada.org/resources/nutrition/vitamins-minerals-and-other-supplements/

Not the same Yolande

 

 

(I think it's Yolande du Toit that is the Dr)

I think the Doc is Ischen Stopforth... not Yolandi

I think the Doc is Ischen Stopforth... not Yolandi

Certain pro's using the TUE application process as a scapegoat, is just a way of them trying to manipulate the system and hide obvious dubious practices.

I was a competitive track cyclist attending World Champs for years (not saying this to drop names, simply to illustrate I have experience in this matter). And I ALWAYS knew what was in the meds I was taking if I were to get sick. And if you didn't, you went without it. 

Because of my asthma I had to apply for a TUE every year, VENTEZE was on the prohibited list untill 2012 and then removed, and I did not compete if I did not have that TUE in my posession.

I saw a posting about the Drugfree Sports online medicine check. That was helpfull, but not always that thorough, BUT Drugfree Sport has a handbook they give out every year in January. FREE OF CHARGE with EVERY LAST medicine known to mankind in there. And if still in doubt, they have a HOTLINE you can phone for assistance if you still aren't sure.

These are things that I as a competitive amateur knew by hart and followed to the letter. More so if you are a pro and making a living out of cycling. It's your job, your obligation to abide by the rules, set out very clearly.

The point I am trying to make is: certain pro's using the excuse of "I accidentally got this banned masking agent in my sample.....", for THREE months nogal, that's just plain absurd and frankly a slap in every clean cyclist out there's face.   

The thing is, I get the idea there are more to follow.

Come on guys its been made easy enough. Click on the link and put in your medication. It only takes a couple of seconds and you can do it on your phone.

 

http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/app/

 

You don't need to know the detailed ingredients of your medication and you don't need a Doctor to help.

I had stanazolol in my system. Now, I know it's banned, and I'm not going to delve into that whole story again.

But... Type Illium Stanabolic (the one I took for years before I had a bicycle), into the app search. Nothing comes up. So, saying its as simple as putting the name of your meds into the search isn't 100% accurate. That 70 year old oom could have a cold before his 7 hour race, get given a tablet or 2 by his wife that had them left over from her influenza back in '68, he types in the name and nothing comes up, pees in a cup and boom, son of a doping mother effer, he's dirty.

I find it hard to believe that she was tested, on 3 separate occasions, and all 3 showed an adverse analytical finding, and she knew full well that she was on it. On all 3 occasions, and still continued to arrogantly roll that dice, laughing all the way...

Do you think the retards at CSA, SAIDS etc are any different from the ones running our country...? Half assed systems aren't worth having. Everyone cries foul about the athletes failing the system. My money is on the system failing the athlete in a drawn out fumbling of process for a TUE here...

Supplements is a whole new problem area. They of course will never guarantee the supplements are without prohibited substances and the biggest risk is contamination by other products they sell.

 

Did you know that the supplement companies use specially tested batches for their athletes? They would take a normal batch and test it and if clean give that to their sponsored and other athletes. Actually thinking now, what happens to the not clean batches mmm...

 

From the US, but read this: Most Americans are unaware that designer steroids and other dangerous drugs are intentionally being sold as dietary supplements and that current law makes it too easy for these products to get to the market. Best estimates suggest that there are hundreds of supplement products currently available that contain one or more of approximately 20 to 25 designer steroids alone. For example, in a 2004 study funded by the International Olympic Committee, 18.8 percent of the 245 supplements analyzed from the United States were found positive for steroids. In a 2007 HFL study, of the 54 supplements that were analyzed for stimulants, 6 were positive (11.1 percent); of the 52 supplements analyzed for steroids, 13 were positive (25 percent).

 

http://www.usada.org/resources/nutrition/vitamins-minerals-and-other-supplements/

Yep.

The study was repeated, and also ran in the EU.  This isn't just about doping, it's about health.  You could be getting some stuff you really don't want.

If this is happening in the US and EU, guess about RSA... 

Use real food.

Only realised now how silly this ban is, effectively a slap on the wrist as it is all retroactive?

Ok, so she's now banned from the epic, but legal to do any other race?

Of interest to me is this little Sunday stroll in may that I'm doing (she's listed in the second team) http://www.kineticgear.co.za/Events/Expedition-Africa#57314-team-format-and-teams-entered

agreed but often you get to the pharmacy to pick up your meds and they tell you "ooops we'reout of stock on the prescription meds but we have a generic......."

You say " is it the same stuff?"

They say " Yes its just not made by the same company and its cheaper so its easier on your medical savings"

 

and therein lies the makings of the next Bikehub Friday Saga

again, if its my bread and butter, i would know better, or atleast google the new med/or speak to my doctor or or or

Cheaper medication means a short cut has been taken somewhere, perhaps in the blending plant or packaging plants? Risks of trace contamination higher?

It has to have the same active ingredients as the original, is subject to the same regulation in the country it is manufactured in, but doesn't have all the R&D and advertising costs as the original which makes it cheaper.

Also the generic med manufacturers can't make a generic until 10 years after the original was made.

When will the stupid excuses end? It has gotten so bad that other people now offer stupid excuses on behalf of a doper before said doper has had the oppertunity of making a stupid excuse.

Can we move on to the next level here (it is still Friday): As applicable to other disnonest and corrupt indivuduals: "pay back the money"

Why TF is everyone taking so much drugs the whole time? I did two epics and a lot of other races and never took so much as a panado.

Don't do supplements, either.

When will the stupid excuses end? It has gotten so bad that other people now offer stupid excuses on behalf of a doper before said doper has had the oppertunity of making a stupid excuse.

 

Can we move on to the next level here (it is still Friday): As applicable to other disnonest and corrupt indivuduals: "pay back the money"

Right on the money. Like ole Fandacious I find the stupid excuses insulting.

Re generics: "It has to have the same active ingredients as the original, is subject to the same regulation............".  I was told slightly different. They don't have to be EXACTLY the same; particularly as regards ingredient quality, down to grinding fineness, maybe binders etc etc.  Not all generics are exactly the same, or have the same effects as the "original". Told to me by someone who sold generics.

But off topic be interesting to have an informed comment.

The big question which needs to be answered here is, if she was tested and found to have suspicious results, how was she allowed to continue racing for the rest of the year, getting podiums( and prize money ) in all the major stage races, as well as an SA title, all while she was under a (period of ineligibility ) from January 2015 to December 2015!!!!!!!!????????

The big question which needs to be answered here is, if she was tested and found to have suspicious results, how was she allowed to continue racing for the rest of the year, getting podiums( and prize money ) in all the major stage races, as well as an SA title, all while she was under a (period of ineligibility ) from January 2015 to December 2015!!!!!!!!????????

That's probably why our friends at Cycling South Africa has not made one single comment about this. Tail wagging the dog?

This sport is rotten to the core .........ban the dopers for life and only then will the tide change! Clean riders are being defrauded by these people of;

1) SA Titles

2) Places on National Teams

3) Victory celebrations in events where a rider that has won is caught and relegated.....the guy that came second never gets to enjoy the podium win

4) The prize money being defrauded from clean riders!

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I think the Doc is Ischen Stopforth... not Yolandi

Another implication of such widespread doping is that clean riders wont have any chance to podium, will lead to more doping. Or perhaps this is what has been happening for years already?

Extreme measures are needed to fight this - life bans from all event organizers in SA. Come on Farmers Glen and Gary, Fritz & co.

Re generics: "It has to have the same active ingredients as the original, is subject to the same regulation............". I was told slightly different. They don't have to be EXACTLY the same; particularly as regards ingredient quality, down to grinding fineness, maybe binders etc etc. Not all generics are exactly the same, or have the same effects as the "original". Told to me by someone who sold generics.

 

But off topic be interesting to have an informed comment.

I'm sure many people think it's downgraded mess, which is not the case.

But, Ja, and interesting topic on another thread.

I know this was a million posts ago, but if I may chime in...

 

I had stanazolol in my system. Now, I know it's banned, and I'm not going to delve into that whole story again.

But... Type Illium Stanabolic (the one I took for years before I had a bicycle), into the app search. Nothing comes up. So, saying its as simple as putting the name of your meds into the search isn't 100% accurate. That 70 year old oom could have a cold before his 7 hour race, get given a tablet or 2 by his wife that had them left over from her influenza back in '68, he types in the name and nothing comes up, pees in a cup and boom, son of a doping mother effer, he's dirty.

 

I find it hard to believe that she was tested, on 3 separate occasions, and all 3 showed an adverse analytical finding, and she knew full well that she was on it. On all 3 occasions, and still continued to arrogantly roll that dice, laughing all the way...

 

Do you think the retards at CSA, SAIDS etc are any different from the ones running our country...? Half assed systems aren't worth having. Everyone cries foul about the athletes failing the system. My money is on the system failing the athlete in a drawn out fumbling of process for a TUE here...

Post of the year and years to come on this subject.

Thankfully someone gets it - especially in this case especially.

Great post.

A question: is it only cycling that has a no needle policy..?

Why TF is everyone taking so much drugs the whole time? I did two epics and a lot of other races and never took so much as a panado.

 

Don't do supplements, either.