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Stewart and Dreyer clock fastest times at Masters Marathon Champs

By Press Office · 72 comments

While South Africans celebrated National Worker’s Day today, mountain bikers took to the warmer trails of Cascades MTB Park in KwaZulu-Natal to put in some hard work for the SA MTB Masters Marathon Championship titles on offer for age categories over 30-years-old at the second annual Pietermaritzburg MTB Festival on Sunday 1 May. After extremely challenging weather conditions the day prior for the cross-country races, today’s endurance events were along trails that had dried up pretty well while, keeping participants alert with some slippery sections.

ccs-62657-0-07934000-1462167542.jpgOverall Men’s winner Brandon Stewart was the first to cross the finish line in the Men’s race and take the title in the 35-39 category in a time of 02:43:51 followed closely by second-placed rider overall, but first in the 30-34 category, Derrin Smith in 02:44:28 in the SA MTB Masters Marathon Championship at the 2016 Pietermaritzburg MTB Festival at Cascades MTB Park on Sunday 1 May. Photo: Darren Goddard

Masters Marathon Championship titles and jerseys were awarded to riders aged 30-and-above in increments of five years, and the tight field of starters set off on their 60-kilometre route that led them out of Cascades MTB Park around the Otto’s Bluff area through Pietermaritzburg’s neighbouring farmlands, overlooking Albert Falls Dam and the beautiful surrounding scenery amidst some misty sections.

Overall Men’s winner Brandon Stewart was the first to cross the finish line overall in the Men’s race and take the title in the 35-39 category in a time of 02:43:51 followed closely by second-placed rider overall, but first in the 30-34 category, Derren Smith in 02:44:28. The third male rider home was Gerrie Beukes in the 45-49 category, finishing his race in a time of 02:44:51.

“The track was really good today, I think it’s been so dry out there that the rain made the course really grippy and it was nowhere near as wet as I thought it would be,” said Stewart. “It was a little chilly this morning and warmed up quite quickly and made for a really fun track. There were some slippery sections on the downhill sections in the shady parts, which is where I managed to get my gap in the end, as I think Derren slipped a bit on a bridge and I got 10 seconds on him. I had earmarked this race as a race I would’ve liked to have done well in. There were parts today where I really battled but overall it was pretty good.”

Smith found the pace fast in the beginning but managed to stay close to Stewart’s wheel in the early parts of the race. “We spoke and decided to work together because he was a category above me. Climbing up the valley from Otto’s Bluff was hectic and Brandon was on fire today and I struggled to stay with him. Unfortunately I crashed on one of the bridges towards the end and that is where the break happened between the two of us. I’m happy to take the win in my category because it was a goal of mine for the season.”

ccs-62657-0-28207500-1462167598.jpgGerry de Boer finished the 60km race in second place in the Men’s 60+ category during the SA MTB Masters Marathon Championships at the 2016 Pietermaritzburg MTB Festival at Cascades MTB Park on Sunday 1 May. Photo: Darren Goddard

Representing the 60+ category, Paul Furbank came straight from the joBerg2c to compete in the 60-kilometre race, winning his category in a time of 03:02:48. “My race started off pretty hard and I couldn’t stick with the front guys at all. There was a lot of steep climbing. There were a group of three in front of us and towards the end I popped quite badly and I did about a 3:02. But I had a good ride though, I had some fun but it was hard work.”

ccs-62657-0-10406600-1462167547.jpgThe Women’s race saw local rider Jeannie Dreyer lay down the hammer from early in the race and hold her lead until the end, finishing in a time of 03:01:30 in the SA MTB Masters Marathon Championship at the 2016 Pietermaritzburg MTB Festival at Cascades MTB Park on Sunday 1 May. Photo: Darren Goddard

The Women’s race saw local rider Jeannie Dreyer lay down the hammer from early in the race and held her lead until the end, finishing in a time of 03:01:30. The second and third place was decided in a very-close sprint finish with Theresa Ralph (40-44) crossing the line in 03:10:10 to take her category win and edging out Fienie Barnard (35-39) into third overall but second in her category in 03:10:11.

“Today was an absolute treat, it is always nice being able to roll out of bed and onto the start line,” boasted Dreyer of the privilege of racing so close to home. “Having done the World Champs here two years ago, it was nice having a bit of insight to the course layout. It started with a big gradual climb straight away onto some district road and through some sugar cane, we had some portage sections too so a little bit of everything but what a wonderful day it was and we were so lucky that the weather turned for us. I feel super blessed that we had a beautiful day to ride.”

ccs-62657-0-64584000-1462167552.jpgSecond place in the Women’s overall race was decided in a very-close sprint finish with Theresa Ralph (40-44) crossing the line in 03:10:10 to take her category win during the SA MTB Masters Marathon Championships at the 2016 Pietermaritzburg MTB Festival at Cascades MTB Park on Sunday 1 May. Photo: Darren Goddard

Ralph said: “I wasn’t too sure who my competition was and didn’t recognise any names that I knew really well. I knew Jeannie and Fienie would be strong. Jeannie went out a bit too hard for me and vanished out of sight but she wasn’t the one that I was racing. After that I rode at my own pace and had a couple of falls – one of the bridges out there was like ice so I landed in a donga – but that’s part of mountain biking. Apparently the route was very similar to the World Champs route, which was very nice, and thank goodness it dried up today, which made it pleasant.”

Run in conjunction with the SA MTB Masters Marathon Championships was a non-championship 60-kilometre race and a 20-kilometre race. Matthew Wilkinson and Hanli Cilliers claimed the victories in the 60-kilometre race in 02:34:38 and 03:52:17 respectively, while Travis Stedman and Sarah Ryan won the 20-kilometre race in 01:04:45 and 01:23:09 respectively.

ccs-62657-0-68992100-1462167576.jpgSthembiso Masango couldn’t resist racing so close to home when he finished third in the 60km non-championship marathon race in a time of 02:45:16 at the 2016 Pietermaritzburg MTB Festival at Cascades MTB Park on Sunday 1 May. Photo: Darren Goddard

District Development Series Finale

KwaZulu-Natal Cycling’s District Development Series culminated with the annual finale, which KwaZulu-Natal Cycling’s Development Officer, Tyrone Johns, said that was biggest event on the programme’s annual calendar, representing each of the 11 District Municipalities of KwaZulu-Natal. One hundred and twenty five enthusiastic learners took to a level track of roughly two kilometres on singlespeed racers or BMX bikes in a series of knockout heats, similar to those run in BMX races.

ccs-62657-0-29929200-1462167560.jpgOwami Khumalo (56) and Fezile Linda (32) race hard in the 13-14 Boys category during the District Development Series Finale at the 2016 Pietermaritzburg MTB Festival at Cascades MTB Park on Sunday 1 May. Photo: Darren Goddard

Nhlanhla Thabethe of the Uthukela (Ladysmith) was thrilled to be back with even more learners this year: “Last year I came here with 12 riders and this year we have 20 riders. I said last year that we wanted to return again with more learners and we have achieved that. We have the talent in our District and we would really like to see these young riders make the transition into the more technical races.” Thabethe said that his learners started from the age of 10 and up.

KwaZulu-Natal Sport and Recreation’s Deputy Manager of Monitoring and Evaluation, Duncan Pool, felt pride in seeing a programme like the District Development Series come together: “We’ve seen it grow and certainly aside from the skills development that we’ve seen on the bicycles there is also the life skills development. On the racetrack, the level of competition is high. It’s a successful programme and obviously there are limitations in terms funding and finance and how far it can go but it is really important to sustain it.”

Pool said that the Department observes two major aspects: to be seen as an active province, promoting a healthy lifestyle with active children and adults; and there is also the winning, or performance, side. “We’re clearly using this as a talent identification process to find somebody to be on those podiums at the Olympic Games, never mind the Commonwealth Games.”

ccs-62657-0-24539400-1462167570.jpgA rider on a singlespeed bicycle whizzes past his peers during the District Development Series Finale at the 2016 Pietermaritzburg MTB Festival at Cascades MTB Park on Sunday 1 May. Photo: Darren Goddard

Talking about the great strides that have been made in KwaZulu-Natal regarding the District Development Series, Pool said: “We’ve got to boast, we’re trendsetters in this province in many fields, and this programme is certainly one of them. The other provinces are surely watching what we do, so we certainly want to see programmes like this rolled out across the provinces.”

Dundee Primary School brought 11 riders representing the uMzinyathu District and Nhlanhla Sibisi’s riders have been part of the programme for a year now. “We have six girls and five boys who enjoy the racing very much. They don’t practice at school, so they ride and practice at home. We are hoping to bring some more riders next year as we believe that we have potential champions here,” he laughs. “The primary lesson that our youngsters have learnt from cycling is discipline, because the principal tells them that when they race for the first time, they don’t have to rush because they need to compete again in the second round. They get tired quickly, especially in the knockout rounds, and the discipline helps them conserve their energy for more racing later.”

Scelo Luhlongwane from the eSikhawini township (under Richards Bay) in the uThungula District, said that the learners were competing to have fun and to make sure that they at least experience the programme. “For sure they are very happy about this. I have a lot of kids riding today, totalling 17 riders and we start from age 11 up to 16. In short, I have about eight girls and nine boys. They enjoy cycling a lot!”

ccs-62657-0-34237100-1462167565.jpgCalvin Khumalo (221) and Scelo Biyola (710) in the 13-14 Boys category during the District Development Series Finale at the 2016 Pietermaritzburg MTB Festival at Cascades MTB Park on Sunday 1 May. Photo: Darren Goddard

Representing Hammarsdale Cycling School, Guy Watkins has been part of the programme for two years after starting with 18 learners and has 165 learners today. He sees the importance of getting his learners into a competitive environment and shows them where they are pegged at in terms of their skills. “When we first started in Hammarsdale, it was a lot of fun for them. But now we have a group of some serious riders that train three times a week and are part of the competitive side. They have aspirations and we need to keep feeding that for them.”

The Pietermaritzburg MTB Festival takes place at Cascades MTB Park from 30 April to 2 May 2016 and forms part of the greater Africa Bike City project in Pietermaritzburg. The legacy project and continued development of the venue of Cascades MTB Park as well as staff, cyclists and officials strengthens the local resource pool as we build towards the 2022 Commonwealth Games. For more information on the 2016 PMB MTB Festival, click here: http://www.cyclingsa.com/2016-pmb-mtb-festival/.

Summary of Results – 2016 PMB MTB Festival XCO – 1 May

Click here to view the Full Results: http://www.cyclingsa.com/2016-pmb-mtb-festival/

SA MTB Masters Marathon Championships – MEN 60km

30-34
1.Derrin Smith 02:44:28
2.Dana Coetzee 02:54:30
3.JC Jooste 02:55:58

35-39
1.Brandon Stewart 02:43:51
2.Colin Byron Noel 02:53:13
3.Craig Uria 02:53:14

40-44
1.Warren Price 02:45:39
2.Fanie Venter 02:54:47
3.Kobus Barnard 02:58:39

45-49
1.Gerrie Beukes 02:44:51
2.Nico Pfitzenmaier 02:52:26
3.Jeremy Thomson 02:52:40

50-54
1.Wayne McDuling 02:57:16
2.Dirk Maarsingh 03:01:43
3.Jasper van Vessem 03:01:45

55-59
1.Greg Anderson 02:56:17
2.Charles Nienaber 03:01:22
3.Tony Stark 03:35:42

60+
1.Paul Furbank 03:02:48
2.Gerry de Boer 04:09:10
3.Danny Sabbagh 04:44:00

SA MTB Masters Marathon Championships – WOMEN 60km

30-34
1.Carla van Huyssteen 03:18:28
2.Sanet Coetzee 03:30:50
3.Liesl Lourens 03:30:52

35-39
1.Jeannie Dreyer 03:01:30
2.Fienie Barnard 03:10:11
3.Colette Kriek 03:17:15

40-44
1.Theresa Ralph 03:10:10
2.Natalie Bergstrom 03:26:41
3.Belinda Mason 03:46:02

45-49
1.Brenda Potts 03:31:17
2.Charmaine McCallum 03:48:39
3.Carol Thomas 04:08:28

50-54
1.Bonny Swanepoel 03:27:11
2.Sarah van Heerden 03:29:31
3.Josephine Ross 04:09:26

55-59
1.Colleen Jacobs 04:07:14
2.Marion Sykes 04:31:41

60+
1.Frances Marsburg 04:32:44

OPEN – MEN 60km
1.Matthew Wilkinson 02:34:38
2.Joshua Nelson 02:44:54
3.Sthembiso Masango 02:45:16

OPEN – WOMEN 60km
1.Hanli Cilliers 03:52:17

OVERALL – MEN 20km
1.Travis Stedman 01:04:45
2.Devon Baird 01:04:46
3.Kieran Dann 01:07:47

OVERALL – WOMEN 20km
1.Sarah Ryan 01:23:09
2.Chloe Bateson 01:24:08
3.Caroline Dann 01:31:00

SUB JUNIOR – BOYS 20km
1.Travis Stedman 01:04:45
2.Cameron Dann 01:14:24
3.Warren Moolman 01:18:09

SUB JUNIOR – GIRLS 20km
1.Sarah Ryan 01:23:09
2.Chloe Bateson 01:24:08

SPROG – BOYS 20km
1.Reuben Price 01:33:49

NIPPER – BOYS 20km
1.Connor Wright 01:15:49
2.Aiden Wright 01:18:11
3.Antony Clayton 01:24:40

NIPPER – GIRLS 20km
1.Hannah Elliott 01:47:33
2.Ali Goodall 03:52:24

2016 DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT SERIES FINALE

10 and under Boys
1.Jordan Dellis (eThekwini)
2.Alwande Zwane (uMkhanya)
3.Todisa Murwisi (Sisonke)

11-12 Boys
1.Mlotshwa Lunbelo (uMkanyakude)
2.Ndabenhle Madonsela (uMkanyakude)
3.Miguel Haings (Sisonke)

11-12 Girls
1.Olwethu Mgaga (uMkanyakude)
2.Storm Trollip (eThekwini)
3.Nabeela Adams (uMzinyathi)

13-14 Boys
1.Buhlebemvelo Mbatha (uMkanyakude)
2.Mlondiwethu Ntombela (uMzinyathi)
3.Njabulo Vilana (uMkanyakude)

13-14 Girls
1.Nobuhle Mdlalose (uMzinyathi)
2.Hope Mkhize (uMzinyathi)
3.Sinalo Mgudumane (Sisonke)

15 and over Boys
1.Andile Linda (eThekwini)
2.Jack Ngcobo (eThekwini)
3.Thalente Langa (eThekwini)

15 and over Girls
1.Lindokuhle Duma (uMkanyakude)
2.Nokwanda Magubane (uMkanyakude)
3.Jessica Cele (Ugu)

Comments

Hennie VR

May 5, 2016, 8:21 AM

 

From now on I ledge to yell DOPER DOPER whenever I'm at a prize giving where a convicted doper steps onto a podium.

 

Let the very thing that makes them dope (public recognition) become the thing that drives them out of the sport and makes new riders to the sport think many times before doping.

 

That said - each to their own - I'm not going to prescribe to anyone how they should "deal" with dopers.

 

Buy yourself a big syringe. Fill it with pi$$ and spay the dopers on the podium whilst shouting Doper Doper!

 

Get a few people to join  you and I promise you won't ever see them on a podium again  :ph34r:  :whistling:

eddy

May 5, 2016, 8:42 AM

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

Finally somebody calls a spade a spade, I agree 100% that its EGO.

 

Prize money, sponsors etc are used as excuses.

Exactly.

 

Therefore, if public humiliation, ongoing scorn and expulsion from the pack is the price of getting caught it may make people think twice as the price becomes too high.

Eldron

May 5, 2016, 9:29 AM

Exactly.

 

Therefore, if public humiliation, ongoing scorn and expulsion from the pack is the price of getting caught it may make people think twice as the price becomes too high.

 

Quadruple like!

 

I am not overly tar'n'feather about many things but convicted dopers make my blood boil. Get out. Just get out. You kakked all over the sport, cheated your fellow riders and now you expect you join back up and race against the very riders you cheated? How dare you?

rouxtjie

May 6, 2016, 6:28 AM

The caveat though is that the convictions need to be airtight, and the reality is that many of the doping cased have been flawed. From the athlete to the federation and anti-doping.

 

As far as events go. Ultimately it's upto the organisers, I may not always agree but I'm not going to resort to the same bullying as doping to pressure them into refusing specific people. J2C have taken the right action with the rule, I feel.  

 

I'm over wasting energy on the dopers themselves, we're so fixated on the athlete and creating a pitchfork fest we're actually ignoring the root issues behind the scenes that create a breeding ground for doping to thrive. There's a parralel with EFF style politics there.

 

Of course bring this up and immediately be accused of defending dopers and being disingenuous. Happened to me this morning, and when I pointed out the irony of the last part in the accusation the oke went into the typical aggro alpha douchebag tone. So much for reasoned discussion.

I am with you when it comes to convictions, you can't ban someone based on hearsay..the "airtight" part is a bit grey though...what is airtight? seems like its opinion rather than fact. If the doping agencies find someone guilty that should the end of the story or airtight if you will....Every doper(except ol DG) had some violin music / victimization  as part of their defense but in the end, they were still sanctioned ie guilty....they are dopers no matter which way you cut it. Basically it should end with the conclusion made by the doping agency. 

 

I appreciate the stance some of the races are taking and to show this I will support them, and them only...I think the root issue is money and recognition as pointed out by Eldron. If the consequence of doping is to be banned for life from races where you receive these it will surely act as a deterrent for okes thinking about it. 

Patchelicious

May 6, 2016, 6:36 AM

I am with you when it comes to convictions, you can't ban someone based on hearsay..the "airtight" part is a bit grey though...what is airtight? seems like its opinion rather than fact. If the doping agencies find someone guilty that should the end of the story or airtight if you will....Every doper(except ol DG) had some violin music / victimization  as part of their defense but in the end, they were still sanctioned ie guilty....they are dopers no matter which way you cut it. Basically it should end with the conclusion made by the doping agency. 

 

I appreciate the stance some of the races are taking and to show this I will support them, and them only...I think the root issue is money and recognition as pointed out by Eldron. If the consequence of doping is to be banned for life from races where you receive these it will surely act as a deterrent for okes thinking about it. 

I remember as a newbie cyclist, there was an interview on some streaming radio, with him.

 

If I recall correctly, he said that he would help guys fight doping or help SAIDS or something of the sorts....

 

What ever happened to him helping? Might be interesting to listen to that interview again with what we know now and everything elsse that transpired since then.

rouxtjie

May 6, 2016, 6:37 AM

I remember as a newbie cyclist, there was an interview on some streaming radio, with him.

 

If I recall correctly, he said that he would help guys fight doping or help SAIDS or something of the sorts....

 

What ever happened to him helping? Might be interesting to listen to that interview again with what we know now and everything elsse that transpired since then.

Ja...the help was on his terms...

Patchelicious

May 6, 2016, 6:54 AM

Ja...the help was on his terms...

Found this little gem...

 

"Commenting on the sentence George received, Galant says: “George claims his EPO doping was isolated to himself and he could not provide us with information in terms of an infrastructure of doping. Hence he received the standard two-year ban, as there were no grounds for a reduction in this sanction.”

 

Whahahahaha knob

Edgar

May 6, 2016, 7:20 AM

Found this little gem...

 

"Commenting on the sentence George received, Galant says: “George claims his EPO doping was isolated to himself and he could not provide us with information in terms of an infrastructure of doping. Hence he received the standard two-year ban, as there were no grounds for a reduction in this sanction.”

 

Whahahahaha knob

 

Yet got a reduced sentence for cooperating and assisting.

TimW

May 6, 2016, 11:35 AM

Yet got a reduced sentence for cooperating and assisting.

 

As far as I know (was told by somebody very definitely in the know) DG DID assist Saids with their investigations after his conviction. I would go as far as to say a couple of later convictions were in part due to his help.

 

Saids may not be perfect, but the bleating and whining from a couple of convicted dopers about how unfair Saids is just proves they must be doing something right !!

Patchelicious

May 6, 2016, 11:44 AM

As far as I know (was told by somebody very definitely in the know) DG DID assist Saids with their investigations after his conviction. I would go as far as to say a couple of later convictions were in part due to his help.

 

Saids may not be perfect, but the bleating and whining from a couple of convicted dopers about how unfair Saids is just proves they must be doing something right !!

If this happened, great. Wonder what it is he spilt the beans on?

Eldron

May 6, 2016, 12:49 PM

Whahahahaha knob

 

This to me is going too far. He's a doper not anything else. He could be the perfect father, brother, all round nice guy and awesome friend. It isn't our place to judge that portion of his life. Or call him names.

 

Action have consequences and in my opinion the consequence of doping should be removal from the sport.

 

Owen Hannie presenting Supersport super boils my piss. Week in and week out he and Andrew bang on about how bad doping is and right there sits a convicted doper who makes his living out of cycling - the very sport that he cheated.

 

Crazy crazy.

 

Personally I think the only way to stop doping is to reverse the very thing that got them into doping - public recognition. I think "dope shaming" will make them feel uncomfortable enough not to want to come back to races (as well as make wannabe dopers go "damn - I never want to be treated like that").

 

Bans have proven to be pretty useless as deterring doping.

 

Dope shaming is the way to go.

 

/rant over.

Patchelicious

May 6, 2016, 12:57 PM

This to me is going too far. He's a doper not anything else. He could be the perfect father, brother, all round nice guy and awesome friend. It isn't our place to judge that portion of his life. Or call him names.

 

Action have consequences and in my opinion the consequence of doping should be removal from the sport.

 

Owen Hannie presenting Supersport super boils my piss. Week in and week out he and Andrew bang on about how bad doping is and right there sits a convicted doper who makes his living out of cycling - the very sport that he cheated.

 

Crazy crazy.

 

Personally I think the only way to stop doping is to reverse the very thing that got them into doping - public recognition. I think "dope shaming" will make them feel uncomfortable enough not to want to come back to races (as well as make wannabe dopers go "damn - I never want to be treated like that").

 

Bans have proven to be pretty useless as deterring doping.

 

Dope shaming is the way to go.

 

/rant over.

Please, and I am asking with all sincerity, please do not selectively quote what I wrote.

 

I specifically called him a knob for saying: "George claims his EPO doping was isolated to himself and he could not provide us with information in terms of an infrastructure of doping."

 

Nowhere did I say he was *** dad, brother, friend etc. So lets not pretend that I did.

 

You are right he is a doper, I agree.

Saying that he did it all by himself, and expecting us to believe him, makes him a knobhead too. You dont have to agree with me. Perhaps to satisfy you, lets rather say, "what a knobhead thing to say". Better?

Eldron

May 6, 2016, 1:01 PM

Please, and I am asking with all sincerity, please do not selectively quote what I wrote.

 

I specifically called him a knob for saying: "George claims his EPO doping was isolated to himself and he could not provide us with information in terms of an infrastructure of doping."

 

Nowhere did I say he was *** dad, brother, friend etc. So lets not pretend that I did.

 

You are right he is a doper, I agree.

Saying that he did it all by himself, and expecting us to believe him, makes him a knobhead too. You dont have to agree with me. Perhaps to satisfy you, lets rather say, "what a knobhead thing to say". Better?

 

Fair enough. I just don't think name calling helps anything. It adds zero value.

Patchelicious

May 6, 2016, 1:05 PM

Fair enough. I just don't think name calling helps anything. It adds zero value.

Cool, I can respect that!

Mousea

May 6, 2016, 1:09 PM

I say they have done their time.

Let them compete, but test them like crazy

Eldron

May 6, 2016, 1:15 PM

Cool, I can respect that!

 

Hand shakes and hugs all round. Don't look to carefully though my posts over the years - I'm pretty sure I've called more than a few people names :-)

 

I'm old now though so I can say something about growing as a person and being wise. Not like you young stupid punks*

 

*irony intended - comic sans excluded to allow further Friday banter....

davetapson

May 6, 2016, 1:15 PM

I'm all for letting go of "who is doping" because well we will never know and there are officials dedicated to  appearing that they are doing this.

 

 

 

Fixed for you.

davetapson

May 6, 2016, 1:17 PM

I say they have done their time.

Let them compete, but test them like crazy

 

Because now that they know what not to do they can carry on doping as before but this time not get caught?

Eldron

May 6, 2016, 1:22 PM

Fixed for you.

 

Agreed but that also falls into my "meh" category.

 

I like to worry about things where there are some facts - tin foil is for making my lemon butter trout bake.

davetapson

May 6, 2016, 2:04 PM

Agreed but that also falls into my "meh" category.

 

I like to worry about things where there are some facts - tin foil is for making my lemon butter trout bake.

 

:)

 

You're looking for facts?  Good luck with that...

 

To go off track slightly with a comparison, this is like other people's marriages - the only thing you do know is that you don't know.

Skubarra

May 6, 2016, 2:41 PM

 

Bans have proven to be pretty useless as deterring doping.

 

Dope shaming is the way to go.

 

 

Don't follow you quite here - if banning is not going to help (by the way I agree with that)

 

how is shaming going to do any better?

 

I have said it on other threads -bashing and banning ex dopers are not making any difference. 

 

Making the possiblity of getting caught if you dope as close to 100% as possible is the way to go imo.

davetapson

May 6, 2016, 3:03 PM

Don't follow you quite here - if banning is not going to help (by the way I agree with that)

 

how is shaming going to do any better?

 

I have said it on other threads -bashing and banning ex dopers are not making any difference. 

 

Making the possiblity of getting caught if you dope as close to 100% as possible is the way to go imo.

 

Dunno.  

 

If at the back of your mind is 'what is the worst that can happen? some time off and then carry on regardless' combined with the knowledge that to get caught you have to be a clown - there's not much downside.

 

If you are to be excluded from your community, that's way worse.

1. You can't get back into your career and carry on earning a crust in your chosen profession after a nice break where you can train as you wish (and whith whatever you choose to take while doing it)

2. What retired cyclist wouldn't like to come and do races for fun?

3. Reputational damage.  Seeing as owning a bike shop or related business post retirement seems to be a common thread, are you as a customer going to go to the shop of the hero or the loser?  What would LA's post cycling career look like if he hadn't been bust?  Not what it is now, whatever that may be... not sure what effect KE's saga has had on his business, but I'd imagine it hasn't boosted it.

 

 

"Making the possiblity of getting caught if you dope as close to 100% as possible is the way to go imo."

 

Nice idea.  Except that real life has shown that this is remarkably hard.  If it wasn't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Ranga

May 7, 2016, 9:37 AM

I say they have done their time.

Let them compete, but test them like crazy

Some were tested like crazy and then took to social media complaining that they were basically being victimised by SAIDS. Then they got caught.....

 

Would you sponsor a convicted doper? I certainly wouldn't.

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