GoPro captures gunpoint mountain bike robbery in Somerset West

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“Die drie mans het Dinsdag vlugtig in die landdroshof (in Somerset-Wes) verskyn en sal in aanhouding bly tot hulle volgende hofverskyning later vandeesmaand,”

There are specific places to shoot armed attackers where adrenaline spikes are high.

How do you think the Task Force, SAS and Seal teams train. Paper and steel targets. Oops you were not meant to know that.

You always try to shoot from a stable platform. A moving mtb is not advisable.

2 different types of armed robber. P

I disagree with you there. I ride armed and I would have reacted as follows: the perp came from the right, running across an open piece of veld. Immediately you would have assessed his intention and see that he was angling to get in front to cut you off. at that stage i would have stopped as quickly as possible and dumped the bike (i estimate the distance then to be 10-15m between us) and at the same time backing away, still facing the perp. The perp will focus first on the bike lying down and not on the rider backing away. This will be an oppurtune time to draw and engage.

 

In the footage the perp almost drops the pistol when trying to get a proper grip on it. I would back myself in THIS scenario to be able to stop this.

 

I must add I have practiced drawing from concealed in riding gear and can draw and fire within 2-3 seconds. I do club shoots twice a week at least. Remember each scenario will differ and may require a different action of engagement. my 2c...

Geez guys i should have put my flame suit on first.

 

In my post I said that is what I would do. And NO i would not go to jail.

 

To those with the "remarks" you clearly do not know anything about use of force and self defence requirements.

 

To those who doubt:

 

In this instance the perp is carrying a pistol. Most probably in the process of pointing a firearm at you. It is clear what his intentions are. The requirements for self defence is -

 

1. the attack must be unlawful. (clearly in this case)

2. the attack must be imminent or have commenced (in this case it has commenced, perp has pistol in hand)

3. The attack must be against your person ( clearly in this case)

4. Force used must be proportional to that of the attack. (perp has gun, so use of firearm will be lawful)

 

This is a clear cut scenario where the use of deadly force will be justifiable. The legal term is justifiable homocide. The perp does not have to commence firing. The mere pointing of the firearm is sufficient for use of deadly force.

 

I hope this explains it a bit.

 

A clear case of a little knowledge of the law is a dangerous thing. I wouldn't bet on you being acquitted on a murder charge on the footage I saw.

All the SAPS members at Marikana probably thought the same way you do.

Malcolm correctly did what the proverbial reasonable man would have done in the circumstances, an act that in my view shows greater courage. It was not a decision made on ego.

The example you used in another post of the family being attacked in their home is an entirely different situation and you should be able to distinguish between the two yourself.

Well done Malcolm Fox you handled it perfectly!!!!!!

The video illustrates your 6 sense stepped in and you felt it was a robbery where no violence would occur if you complied, hence you acted quickly handed him what he wanted and spoke to him in a very calm assuring way. Brilliant!!!

I don't know you, but maybe you would have reacted differently if you had felt something else about the situation.

Unless your name is Chuck Norris, Charles Bronsen or Buce Willis - stay calm, hand over the material items that can be replaced, then take a trap home to see your wife and kids - en route home, say a little thanks to your gaurdian angels.

I am sure that there are many guys with Roneblack46 skills, and would have mowed them all down and continued with their ride, however, for every 1000 people, there may be one such skilled person - and thats a big maybe.

Anyways, Roneblack46, is Oscar guilty and going to jail for a long time?

I have seen to many 'victims" in my career. it is sad but it is what it is.

The mantra of the Evil Empire you serve: Rather a killer than a victim.

 

There are specific places to shoot armed attackers where adrenaline spikes are high.

 

How do you think the Task Force, SAS and Seal teams train. Paper and steel targets. Oops you were not meant to know that.

 

You always try to shoot from a stable platform. A moving mtb is not advisable.

Yip....they do and hours and hours of simulations and live fire in kill houses.

They also aren't qualified untill they have 2-3 years live experience.

You saying that you on SAS or SEAL level?

I guess these guys didn't want to GoPro!!! (Going to remain amateurs their whole life)

 

 

A clear case of a little knowledge of the law is a dangerous thing. I wouldn't bet on you being acquitted on a murder charge on the footage I saw.

 

All the SAPS members at Marikana probably thought the same way you do.

 

Malcolm correctly did what the proverbial reasonable man would have done in the circumstances, an act that in my view shows greater courage. It was not a decision made on ego.

 

 

 

The example you used in another post of the family being attacked in their home is an entirely different situation and you should be able to distinguish between the two yourself.

Where are you coming from?

Firstly you do not know my background regarding law. Secondly I am not a member of SAPS.

Might merely commented on someone posting a reply on this thread that even if the rider had a gun he would not have been able to do anything. I disagreed and explained why. What the rider did was the only thing he could have done. And I am glad he was not hurt in anyway.

We all have our own opinions on what to do and what not to do. No one is right or wrong.

I would have torn the first ones head off with my bare hands, then used the severed head a a projectile to incapacitate the 2nd one and finally I would have whipped out my nob and bludgeoned the third one to death, cos I have had the training you know!

Unless your name is Chuck Norris, Charles Bronsen or Buce Willis - stay calm, hand over the material items that can be replaced, then take a trap home to see your wife and kids - en route home, say a little thanks to your gaurdian angels.

 

I am sure that there are many guys with Roneblack46 skills, and would have mowed them all down and continued with their ride, however, for every 1000 people, there may be one such skilled person - and thats a big maybe.

 

Anyways, Roneblack46, is Oscar guilty and going to jail for a long time?

I hope so. He really f$cked up there. At this stage his defense is trying to keep the jail time to a minimum. I worked with Gerrie Nel for a long time so yeah jail time it is gonna be.

 

 

Yip....they do and hours and hours of simulations and live fire in kill houses.

 

They also aren't qualified untill they have 2-3 years live experience.

 

You saying that you on SAS or SEAL level?

I have had the privilege of training with the Seals and working alongside them in Africa. I will leave it at that.

I am going to go practice with my paper and steel now. You guys have made me "worried" about my abilities. LOL.

Geez guys i should have put my flame suit on first.

 

In my post I said that is what I would do. And NO i would not go to jail.

 

It is clear there are many opinions about this and countless threads prior to this about what to do, what to carry. Every one has his own preference. To those with the "remarks" you clearly do not know anything about use of force and self defence requirements. Not judging anyone here. so let me clarify.

 

To those who doubt:

 

In this instance the perp is carrying a pistol. Most probably in the process of pointing a firearm at you. It is clear what his intentions are. The requirements for self defence is -

 

1. the attack must be unlawful. (clearly in this case)

2. the attack must be imminent or have commenced (in this case it has commenced, perp has pistol in hand)

3. The attack must be against your person ( clearly in this case)

4. Force used must be proportional to that of the attack. (perp has gun, so use of firearm will be lawful)

 

This is a clear cut scenario where the use of deadly force will be justifiable. The legal term is justifiable homocide. The perp does not have to commence firing. The mere pointing of the firearm is sufficient for use of deadly force.

 

I can guarantee 200% that the accomplices will scatter and run for the hills at the sound of the first shot been fired. Let them run, they are not the immediate threat.

 

If you have the oppurtunity please go to you tube and watch the combat shooting videos. You will see that engaging 3-4 targets in mere seconds is quite possible FOR SOMEONE WHO TRAINS REGULARLY.

 

I carry my pistol in a specially design waist band holster. It sits snug to my side under my cycling shirt. I merely have to lift my shirt and draw. You cannot see it as it does not create a bulge or impression. The idea is to give yourself space to react. as i said every scenario may be different.

 

No I am not Rambo but seeing this footage is great as it shows you exactly how it goes down. How many of you have run this same or similar scenarios in your mind as a preparation for what to do when it happens. mental conditioning is vital.

 

I work in an environment where mental conditioning and preparedness is critical.

 

I hope this explains it a bit.

 

Flame suit on again....

well explained Mr...i'll accept your rebuttal...

I hope so. He really f$cked up there. At this stage his defense is trying to keep the jail time to a minimum. I worked with Gerrie Nel for a long time so yeah jail time it is gonna be.

I have had the privilege of training with the Seals and working alongside them in Africa. I will leave it at that.

the devil is in the detail........ i know a guy like yourself, he did a lot of high profile armed escourting in and out of Iraq - you okes a tough bastards - big respect to you......

Where are you coming from?

 

Firstly you do not know my background regarding law. Secondly I am not a member of SAPS.

 

Might merely commented on someone posting a reply on this thread that even if the rider had a gun he would not have been able to do anything. I disagreed and explained why. What the rider did was the only thing he could have done. And I am glad he was not hurt in anyway.

 

We all have our own opinions on what to do and what not to do. No one is right or wrong.

I know you are not a member of the police. You told us what you do and who you do it for before. My reference to Marikana is for purposes of example, not to suggest that you work for the SAPS. As I recall you believed the SAPS members were intimidated by your SS credentials.

I agree that we all have our opinions on what to do and what not to do, but I differ in that I believe that society always judges what is right and wrong.

and with the "luck" we have....you will never be attacked on your MTB...but rather some unsuspection/ unprepared little oke...

I can't tell the anger that builds up inside me watching the video, feels like rip the okes eyes out shove it backwards into his head.

On a weekly basis a see in hospitals the effect as well as after effect of robberies when these scum do shoot.

Arresting them does nothing, if they get caught they should be beaten in a public square or something. Nothing stops them from doing it again.

If they have been caught and are in custody maybe they can be handed over to the MTB community for a few hours. There are some people who would like to talk to them and educate them as to the ill effects of being rude by pointing a gun in someones face and helping themselves to whats rightfully not theirs. I for one would like to teach him the err of his ways.

Glad Malcolm is ok, been there experienced that and not pleasant at all.

Jacker to Malcolm: Gimme your bike and cell

Malcolm to jacker: Sure, here take them

Jacker to Malcolm: What's that thing on your head?

Malcolm to Jacker: It's a condom, you dumbass

Jacker to Malcolm: Is it worth anything?

Malcolm to jacker: yeah, about 5-10 years of free board and lodging

We need to take them for a one-way sightseeing trip to Seal Island.

Well I think that f... needed a beating . dont you guys think that this has to stop !!! we keep getting mugd an knock . we look at a week before agust when fallow brother on the bike took action . what if that guy had been shot . stand up an lets stop this guys we spend alot of money for another person to just

take it off us .

Well I think that f... needed a beating . dont you guys think that this has to stop !!! we keep getting mugd an knock . we look at a week before agust when fallow brother on the bike took action . what if that guy had been shot . stand up an lets stop this guys we spend alot of money for another person to just

take it off us .