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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

Patchelicious

Nov 6, 2018, 6:51 AM

Hahahaha.Well my steel bike might beg to differ with your YZ pal. I think we might have to set up an intervention...

There is no place for this type of intolerance! 

Headshot

Nov 6, 2018, 7:01 AM

Yes you're right. An eBike is the same as a bicycle just as your YZ is a ss steel steed. I just woke up.

J Wakefield

Nov 6, 2018, 7:02 AM

I had this convo with someone yesterday in fact about E-bikes and in my personal opinion belong anywhere unless a racing category with normal bikes or if you going to try smash Kom's and claim them as a normal effort. 

They get people out to ride and exercise who typically wouldnt or cant due to their mates / wives / husbands / kids being stronger than them and it get them to do exercise. 

Im all for it, hope they keep growing in sales and people get out there to ride.

Hairy

Nov 6, 2018, 7:12 AM

Now if you changed that YZ for YT!

Speaking of which.

 

I had a long conversation with a YZ450 this morning, over a pumpkin latte. It tells me that it now identifies as a steel frame single MTB.

 

Based on this, we have formed a pack that I will ride this Single Speed at the Cape Epic next year.

 

Please do not dead-name the bike, its rude, and I expect to get all the respect and adoration for finishing the Cape Epic on a SS.

PhilipV

Nov 6, 2018, 7:41 AM

Speaking of which.

 

I had a long conversation with a YZ450 this morning, over a pumpkin latte. It tells me that it now identifies as a steel frame single MTB.

 

Based on this, we have formed a pack that I will ride this Single Speed at the Cape Epic next year.

 

Please do not dead-name the bike, its rude, and I expect to get all the respect and adoration for finishing the Cape Epic on a SS.

Post of the day.
Paddaman

Nov 6, 2018, 8:22 AM

I had this convo with someone yesterday in fact about E-bikes and in my personal opinion belong anywhere unless a racing category with normal bikes or if you going to try smash Kom's and claim them as a normal effort. 

 

They get people out to ride and exercise who typically wouldnt or cant due to their mates / wives / husbands / kids being stronger than them and it get them to do exercise. 

 

Im all for it, hope they keep growing in sales and people get out there to ride.

This is a two way street, just as it can get non-exercises to be guerilla marketed into doing some exercise, it can also get well adjusted cyclists in a moment of weakness to become coach potatoes.  The decline starts with one battery assisted pedal.....

Remember what Katie Perry said "I kissed a girl and I liked it", and now there are gender confused millenniums wearing man-buns and skirts.....

Patchelicious

Nov 6, 2018, 8:36 AM

This is a two way street, just as it can get non-exercises to be guerilla marketed into doing some exercise, it can also get well adjusted cyclists in a moment of weakness to become coach potatoes.  The decline starts with one battery assisted pedal.....

Remember what Katie Perry said "I kissed a girl and I liked it", and now there are gender confused millenniums wearing man-buns and skirts and riding eBikes.....

 

:P

Shebeen

Nov 6, 2018, 8:38 AM

The only person I will not frown at for riding an e-bike is Patrick Roberts from Tygerberg MTB fame, who was sponsored one by Giant DVille for his weekly recce of the trail state. It is a 140 odd kilometer network of trails, and the only way to manage the trail conditions is to ride it. Doing that on a normal bike every week would make one either equivalent to the Hulk, or you'd be so kaput by the end of it that no further useful input from yourself could reasonably be expected by anyone for the rest of the week.

 

***this as confessed to by the weekly club newsletter

 

Really, can you be so close minded? 

 

 

 

How about this lady who is not a well known trail builder?

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My name is Rhonda Martin. On February 7, 2012, I weighed 457 pounds. I was 40 years old and my health was declining quickly. I could only walk about 150 steps at a time before I was winded and exhausted. I decided I was tired of just existing and wanted to live again.

 

I started off by just focusing on one healthy meal a day. Once I became comfortable with that, I added another healthy meal. I bought a pedometer and challenged myself to walk just 100 more steps each day. It was at this point that I discovered electric bikes while working with Chuck at an Expo. After walking by the bikes about 10 times, I decided to try it.

 

more here

http://www.prettydamnedfast.com/blog/raleigh-ebike

 

 

 

she now rides to work

E-bikes changed her life.

electric-bikes-raleigh-electric-redux-ri

 

 

 

if you don't think she should have an e-bike, then you're an A$$hole.

As a country with huge health issues and rampant obesity, e-bikes are an amazing way to get people back into shape. I can even see disco and the rest using it for rewards.

Shebeen

Nov 6, 2018, 8:39 AM

for those who don't want to believe hype and marketing, here is some science

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27299435

 

Pedelecs as a physically active transportation mode.
Abstract
INTRODUCTION:

Pedelecs are bicycles that provide electric assistance only when a rider is pedaling and have become increasingly popular.

PURPOSE:

Our purpose was to quantify usage patterns over 4 weeks of real-world commuting with a pedelec and to determine if pedelec use would improve cardiometabolic risk factors.

METHODS:

Twenty sedentary commuters visited the laboratory for baseline physiological measurements [body composition, maximum oxygen consumption ([Formula: see text]), mean arterial blood pressure (MAP), blood lipid profile, and 2-h oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT)]. The following 4 weeks, participants were instructed to commute using a pedelec at least 3 days week(-1) for 40 min day(-1) while wearing a heart rate monitor and a GPS device. Metabolic equivalents (METS) were estimated from heart rate data. Following the intervention, we repeated the physiological measurements.

RESULTS:

Average total distance and time were 317.9 ± 113.8 km and 15.9 ± 3.4 h, respectively. Participants averaged 4.9 ± 1.2 METS when riding. Four weeks of pedelec commuting significantly improved 2-h post-OGTT glucose (5.53 ± 1.18-5.03 ± 0.91 mmol L(-1), p < 0.05), [Formula: see text] (2.21 ± 0.48-2.39 ± 0.52 L min(-1), p < 0.05), and end of [Formula: see text] test power output (165.1 ± 37.1-189.3 ± 38.2 W, p < 0.05). There were trends for improvements in MAP (84.6 ± 10.5-83.2 ± 9.4 mmHg, p = 0.15) and fat mass (28.6 ± 11.3-28.2 ± 11.4 kg, p = 0.07).

CONCLUSION:

Participants rode a pedelec in the real world at a self-selected moderate intensity, which helped them meet physical activity recommendations. Pedelec commuting also resulted in significant improvements in 2-h post-OGTT glucose, [Formula: see text], and power output. Pedelecs are an effective form of active transportation that can improve some cardiometabolic risk factors within only 4 weeks.

 

 

This is a two way street, just as it can get non-exercises to be guerilla marketed into doing some exercise, it can also get well adjusted cyclists in a moment of weakness to become coach potatoes.  The decline starts with one battery assisted pedal.....

Remember what Katie Perry said "I kissed a girl and I liked it", and now there are gender confused millenniums wearing man-buns and skirts.....

aren't we mister glass is half empty this morning?

Patchelicious

Nov 6, 2018, 9:01 AM

Really, can you be so close minded? 

 

 

 

How about this lady who is not a well known trail builder?

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My name is Rhonda Martin. On February 7, 2012, I weighed 457 pounds. I was 40 years old and my health was declining quickly. I could only walk about 150 steps at a time before I was winded and exhausted. I decided I was tired of just existing and wanted to live again.

 

I started off by just focusing on one healthy meal a day. Once I became comfortable with that, I added another healthy meal. I bought a pedometer and challenged myself to walk just 100 more steps each day. It was at this point that I discovered electric bikes while working with Chuck at an Expo. After walking by the bikes about 10 times, I decided to try it.

 

more here

http://www.prettydamnedfast.com/blog/raleigh-ebike

 

 

 

she now rides to work

E-bikes changed her life.

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if you don't think she should have an e-bike, then you're an A$$hole.

As a country with huge health issues and rampant obesity, e-bikes are an amazing way to get people back into shape. I can even see disco and the rest using it for rewards.

 

Ok, who, or rather how many people would think that she shouldn't have eBike? Really, who??

 

Stop posting these fringe cases, which intentionally circumvent the argument that "most people are pro eBike, JUST NOT IN RACES" purely for the sake of arguing.

 

FFS do you people not get sick of LOOKING for reasons to argue with each other?

 

If you honestly think that most people here think that she shouldn't ride an eBike, then YOU are the a$$hole.

Headshot

Nov 6, 2018, 9:03 AM

for those who don't want to believe hype and marketing, here is some science

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27299435

 

Pedelecs as a physically active transportation mode.
Abstract
INTRODUCTION:

Pedelecs are bicycles that provide electric assistance only when a rider is pedaling and have become increasingly popular.

PURPOSE:

Our purpose was to quantify usage patterns over 4 weeks of real-world commuting with a pedelec and to determine if pedelec use would improve cardiometabolic risk factors.

METHODS:

Twenty sedentary commuters visited the laboratory for baseline physiological measurements [body composition, maximum oxygen consumption ([Formula: see text]), mean arterial blood pressure (MAP), blood lipid profile, and 2-h oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT)]. The following 4 weeks, participants were instructed to commute using a pedelec at least 3 days week(-1) for 40 min day(-1) while wearing a heart rate monitor and a GPS device. Metabolic equivalents (METS) were estimated from heart rate data. Following the intervention, we repeated the physiological measurements.

RESULTS:

Average total distance and time were 317.9 ± 113.8 km and 15.9 ± 3.4 h, respectively. Participants averaged 4.9 ± 1.2 METS when riding. Four weeks of pedelec commuting significantly improved 2-h post-OGTT glucose (5.53 ± 1.18-5.03 ± 0.91 mmol L(-1), p < 0.05), [Formula: see text] (2.21 ± 0.48-2.39 ± 0.52 L min(-1), p < 0.05), and end of [Formula: see text] test power output (165.1 ± 37.1-189.3 ± 38.2 W, p < 0.05). There were trends for improvements in MAP (84.6 ± 10.5-83.2 ± 9.4 mmHg, p = 0.15) and fat mass (28.6 ± 11.3-28.2 ± 11.4 kg, p = 0.07).

CONCLUSION:

Participants rode a pedelec in the real world at a self-selected moderate intensity, which helped them meet physical activity recommendations. Pedelec commuting also resulted in significant improvements in 2-h post-OGTT glucose, [Formula: see text], and power output. Pedelecs are an effective form of active transportation that can improve some cardiometabolic risk factors within only 4 weeks.

 

 

aren't we mister glass is half empty this morning?

Do you own a pedal assist motorbike shop by any chance? 

Headshot

Nov 6, 2018, 9:04 AM

Ok, who, or rather how many people would think that she shouldn't have eBike? Really, who??

 

Stop posting these fringe cases, which intentionally circumvent the argument that "most people are pro eBike, JUST NOT IN RACES" purely for the sake of arguing.

 

FFS do you people not get sick of LOOKING for reasons to argue with each other?

 

If you honestly think that most people here think that she shouldn't ride an eBike, then YOU are the a$$hole.

You know I bet she'd be slimmer and fitter if she had simply started riding a real bike...

Pure Savage

Nov 6, 2018, 9:07 AM

Almost.

 

It’s more like everybody being super cool with transgens, until they start racing in and beating the ladies.

 

I was thinking about it on the ride in and the similarities are rather close!

Pure Savage

Nov 6, 2018, 9:12 AM

Speaking of which.

 

I had a long conversation with a YZ450 this morning, over a pumpkin latte. It tells me that it now identifies as a steel frame single MTB.

 

Based on this, we have formed a pack that I will ride this Single Speed at the Cape Epic next year.

 

Please do not dead-name the bike, its rude, and I expect to get all the respect and adoration for finishing the Cape Epic on a SS.

Spot on!

 

Only problem was I had to google YZ450

Pure Savage

Nov 6, 2018, 9:12 AM

You know I bet she'd be slimmer and fitter if she had simply started riding a real bike...

She would have probably not made it out the drive way...

Patchelicious

Nov 6, 2018, 9:12 AM

You know I bet she'd be slimmer and fitter if she had simply started riding a real bike...

Possibly. But thats not the point of my post. 

 

It irks me when people post crap statements purely because they cant take the time to think something through.

Eldron

Nov 6, 2018, 9:14 AM

Eldron's idea for the day. Each of us have a quick stab at how much time we've wasted on this thread then take that amount of time and do something useful - like join the Edenvale march.

 

Actions over words.

Pure Savage

Nov 6, 2018, 9:22 AM

Eldron's idea for the day. Each of us have a quick stab at how much time we've wasted on this thread then take that amount of time and do something useful - like join the Edenvale march.

 

Actions over words.

I dont see it as time wasted, if we cannot accept one another and respect others on trails, how do we expect runners, walkers and drivers to accept cyclists?

Eldron

Nov 6, 2018, 9:27 AM

I dont see it as time wasted, if we cannot accept one another and respect others on trails, how do we expect runners, walkers and drivers to accept cyclists?

Are we reading the same thread? I don't see a lot of respect or acceptance on this one. Or most threads really.

 

We mostly just play passive aggressive and aggressive aggressive here on the hub.

Goodbadugly

Nov 6, 2018, 9:27 AM

Really, can you be so close minded? 

 

 

 

How about this lady who is not a well known trail builder?

electric-bikes-raleigh-electric-weight-l

 

 

My name is Rhonda Martin. On February 7, 2012, I weighed 457 pounds. I was 40 years old and my health was declining quickly. I could only walk about 150 steps at a time before I was winded and exhausted. I decided I was tired of just existing and wanted to live again.

 

I started off by just focusing on one healthy meal a day. Once I became comfortable with that, I added another healthy meal. I bought a pedometer and challenged myself to walk just 100 more steps each day. It was at this point that I discovered electric bikes while working with Chuck at an Expo. After walking by the bikes about 10 times, I decided to try it.

 

more here

http://www.prettydamnedfast.com/blog/raleigh-ebike

 

 

 

she now rides to work

E-bikes changed her life.

electric-bikes-raleigh-electric-redux-ri

 

 

 

if you don't think she should have an e-bike, then you're an A$$hole.

As a country with huge health issues and rampant obesity, e-bikes are an amazing way to get people back into shape. I can even see disco and the rest using it for rewards.

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Pure Savage

Nov 6, 2018, 9:32 AM

Are we reading the same thread? I don't see a lot of respect or acceptance on this one. Or most threads really.

 

We mostly just play passive aggressive and aggressive aggressive here on the hub.

Maybe just see things with a positive tint. If this thread makes one person go, agh, they not so bad lets say Hi as they ride past the e-biker then its worth it. Otherwise you have the same bike vs car thing going. 

Eldron

Nov 6, 2018, 9:35 AM

Maybe just see things with a positive tint. If this thread makes one person go, agh, they not so bad lets say Hi as they ride past the e-biker then its worth it. Otherwise you have the same bike vs car thing going.

Fair point. Me - I don't think this thread will change a single thing.

 

I don't think anyone really thinks ebikes are bad. This thread is pretty redundant. I reckon in 99% of bicycle /ebike interactions in real life there will be a bit of ragging, a bit of banter and both riders will carry on with their lives.

Paddaman

Nov 6, 2018, 9:44 AM

This thread in indicative of the also ran mentality.  The position of the cyclist is simple, "If you want to be a cyclist then ride a bicycle."  Although quad biking, motorbiking and e-biking are similar to bicycling, they are not the same.  Just because it looks like a bicycle, does not mean it is a bicycle.  

 

Being in the boy scouts, police force, nursing or fire brigade does not mean you are a soldier or visa versa.  Although it may seem the same to outsiders, it is very different to those involved.  Uniformed is not the same as military.

 

Being able to operate msoffice does not make you a computer programmer, and being a computer programmer does not mean that you know msoffice like a wizzkid.

 

The important consideration is that e-bikes have a place in society, they are great weight-loss tools (but also can work in the reverse), they are also great for commuting, for trail laying, for adventuring and doing personal tours.  But just like motorboats are not raced at sailing events, e-bikes cannot be raced against normal bikes.

 

Any attempt to "mix" e-bikes with bicycles in a competition, or to compare or equate e-bikes with bicycles,  deserves the ridicule and ire it gets.  

Robbie Stewart

Nov 6, 2018, 9:57 AM

Really, can you be so close minded? 

 

 

 

How about this lady who is not a well known trail builder?

electric-bikes-raleigh-electric-weight-l

 

 

My name is Rhonda Martin. On February 7, 2012, I weighed 457 pounds. I was 40 years old and my health was declining quickly. I could only walk about 150 steps at a time before I was winded and exhausted. I decided I was tired of just existing and wanted to live again.

 

I started off by just focusing on one healthy meal a day. Once I became comfortable with that, I added another healthy meal. I bought a pedometer and challenged myself to walk just 100 more steps each day. It was at this point that I discovered electric bikes while working with Chuck at an Expo. After walking by the bikes about 10 times, I decided to try it.

 

more here

http://www.prettydamnedfast.com/blog/raleigh-ebike

 

 

 

she now rides to work

E-bikes changed her life.

electric-bikes-raleigh-electric-redux-ri

 

 

 

if you don't think she should have an e-bike, then you're an A$$hole.

As a country with huge health issues and rampant obesity, e-bikes are an amazing way to get people back into shape. I can even see disco and the rest using it for rewards.

 

I was thinking of an apt response, but I see Patches beat me to it.

 

As an aside, last Saturday I passed 3 - yes, THREE, ladies, same as this lady's pre-ebike size, on NORMAL mountain bikes. They were out and about, using the laws of physics, not electrics, to pedal their bikes along the cycle path beside the R27. They were riding direction Blouberg when I passed them at Sunset Beach. If they were riding e-bikes, kudos to them, at least they are not sitting at Ons Huisie chomping on a cheese cake, but even if they were, that's their prerogative.

 

I never implied that no-one should ride an e-bike. I implied that riding an e-bike on a mountain is not what I, personally,  would approve off. But that's just me. Speaking for myself. Not that lady, nor you, nor the 2 I passed on Saturday. 

 

But, since opinions are like assholes, and everybody's got one, I suppose we are all just showing off our own assholes then..?

 

 

b.t.w., thanks Patches for your spot-on reply.

Ok, who, or rather how many people would think that she shouldn't have eBike? Really, who??

 

Stop posting these fringe cases, which intentionally circumvent the argument that "most people are pro eBike, JUST NOT IN RACES" purely for the sake of arguing.

 

FFS do you people not get sick of LOOKING for reasons to argue with each other?

 

If you honestly think that most people here think that she shouldn't ride an eBike, then YOU are the a$$hole.

Andrew Steer

Nov 6, 2018, 9:58 AM

Our company CEO recently converted to an E-bike... he's well into his 70's now, has had a spinal fusion, hip replacement, needs to be very careful with his heart (arrhythmia/beta blockers etc), and his E-bike has greatly re-invigorated his love for riding.

 

This is not a lazy man, this is someone who has done little challenges like Paris Brest Paris... He's also still got more energy than most people half his age, but his body has just caught up with him over time. What the E-bike does allow... is him to go riding with his Son and Grandson on their tandem. He doesn't now have the 'joy' of his beta-blockers kicking in on the climbs and everyone having to wait minutes for him at the top of each rise. He rides more often, rides further and feels better for it... he is getting fitter believe it or not.

 

Also read Ali Mcleans post about her new E-bike the other day - she now goes riding with her husband regularly - he gets his serious training in, she gets her training in, more time on the bike in the beautiful outdoors, and they get great quality time together...

 

Horrible things these E-bikes

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