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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

Starchboy

May 3, 2018, 11:49 AM

 

That's said - road racing in Denmark is pretty awesome. Its hard, tough and FAST. There is a reason why a country that has zero hills and only 6,000,000 inhabitants is churning out pro tour riders by the dozen!

My memories of cycling in Denmark when I lived there was that there was always a headwind. Whatever direction you cycled. I also had the one hill in the country to cycle up getting to Roskilde station on my way home.

Eldron

May 3, 2018, 11:54 AM

My memories of cycling in Denmark when I lived there was that there was always a headwind. Whatever direction you cycled. I also had the one hill in the country to cycle up getting to Roskilde station on my way home.

 

So true on the wind - coming from Joburg (with thinner air) means the wind feels extra strong here!

 

I ride to Roskilde often - one of my favourite routes. I raced a duathlon at Hedeland round the corner not so long ago too. Nice area!

BigDL

May 3, 2018, 4:13 PM

In Germany the normal ebikes are limited (by software) to max 250w and 25km/h. When it hits that the rider must go over it with is own ability. You can buy stronger / or setup stronger motors but then you need a little license for insurance purposes and the bike is actually classified as a light vehicle.

My mate has a bike with that restriction. For 10 pounds he bought a unit that clips on the bike and persuades it somehow that it is only doing half the speed it thinks it is, thus he gets 50k/h before he loses the motor

Eldron

May 3, 2018, 5:38 PM

My mate has a bike with that restriction. For 10 pounds he bought a unit that clips on the bike and persuades it somehow that it is only doing half the speed it thinks it is, thus he gets 50k/h before he loses the motor

I did the same thing with a japanese import years ago. Remove one "magnet" off the wheel so the sensor only sees half the signals. No more 250kmh limiter. Tiday!

shaper

May 3, 2018, 5:49 PM

As are you, whats your point?

His point was made on another ebike thread when it was stated that non ebike riders were ignorant and uneducated!

 

https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/154669-electric-mountain-bikes/?do=findComment&comment=3308387

 

I see he has edited his post #10 and removed the comment and sentiment...

 

but at least us non ebike riders are not arrogant!

Rigardt@Scott

May 7, 2018, 8:39 AM

Quick ride review...

 

My Stumpy's frame is cracked, and my hardtail's wheels are being rebuilt, so I am currently without a bike. So this weekend I borrowed my dad's turbo-levo. Went for a ride with my wife yesterday, she is unfit at the moment (slower than me on a normal bike), and is new to cycling so I rode with her the whole time. Needless to say, I thought the e-bike was a complete waste as I put in literally ZERO effort to get to the top of Helderberg (at my wife's pace).

 

This morning I decided to go see what the bike is really capable of as my only reference was yesterday and a few minutes here and there on the bike a couple of times before. I headed out to Helderberg and put the bike on Eco mode (with 40%) assistance. I got used to the way the bike felt very quickly as my normal bike is a Stumpy and the levo is pretty much a Stumpy with a motor. 

 

This thing is SERIOUSLY fun, and FAST! I got up the mountain in about 30mins compared to my normal 55mins or so (faster than anyone else on Strava - don't worry I did mark this as an e-bike ride so the times won't go onto leader boards). The thing I like though was not so much how fast I could get up the mountain, it was how much fun I could have doing it - where I am normally panting and gasping for air I was cruising up, launching over roots, wheelying, and just fooling around. 

 

And yes, you can fool yourself by cruising up the mountain slowly - but you can also push hard and get the same workout in as you would on your normal bike - you'll just cover twice the distance.

 

On the way down I was a bit frustrated because the clutch on the derailleur is worn out and I kept dropping the chain, but from the few times I could open up and let go of the brakes I realised that the extra weight gives you a serious amount of stability. Jumps are a bit harder, but still possible - it might just take some getting used to. I found the Guide R brakes to be lacking in power - I would spec some 4 pot callipers on a bike like this. The tyres (Maxxis Ikon+ and Rekon+ were not aggressive enough and I would replace with Spaz Butcher 2.8" immediately if this was my bike). Other than that the spec is bang on - the Yari fork is great, and the fox float is good. GX 11 speed is also good, but I'd prefer the 7 speed e-bike drivetrain - 11 gears on a bike like this is just not necessary at all.

 

So bottom line - what's my opinion on e-bikes (based on the Spaz Turbo Levo Comp alu version)? I LOVE THEM. I am not going to be replacing my bike with it - ever. BUT, if I had the spare cash lying around I would want one for the following reasons:

 

- I can do 2 runs of Helderberg in an hour - top to bottom, where I can usually only do one. Ideal when you only have short periods of time. And yes, when gassing it up it is just as much a workout as a normal bike - my heart rate was very high.

- It makes the climbs enjoyable (in a different way than being in the pain cave)

- You can load the bike up with every aggressive and heavy part your heart desires because weight doesn't matter.

- IF I were ever to get an e-bike it would be one with a ton of travel - a coil shock and fork, seriously aggressive tyres, and some monster brakes. 

Why would I not get one?

- They can get you into trouble - you do single track at twice the speed you usually do and can run out of skill before you blink. I don't think these bikes belong in the hands of beginners. 

- Unless all your friends also have e-bikes you are going to be riding on your own.

- It's not as flickable and fun when the trail points down.

- They are expensive to maintain - chains need to be replaced often, and batteries go for 14k a pop - you will cry when it comes time to replace yours.

- Limited time spent on the bike because of battery life (although this isn't too much of a drawback as I would want the bike for when I only have an hour or two to ride) 

- People judge you - seriously - people look at me like I just ran over their dog when I ride past them.

 

Anyway, that's my 2c worth. I can't wait to get my bikes back so I can ride again, but in the mean time I will be enjoying my dad's Levo!

 

EDIT: My 2c on e-bikes in races...

Should NOT be allowed ever! Even in their own categories. I did a race a while back where this one lady was on an e-bike, she overtook me on every hill, then we would get to single track downhill and she went snails pace - caused massive bottle neck and would not let anyone pass. Once I eventually got past it was fine... but then on the next hill she comes cruising past and we sit with the same situation on the next bit of single track all over again. 

If people wanna race e-bikes, they should have their own events, on at the very least, their own routes that are not shared with people on normal bikes.

Eldron

May 7, 2018, 8:44 AM

Interesting review with good insight!

Bateleur1

May 7, 2018, 9:18 AM

Quick ride review...

 

My Stumpy's frame is cracked, and my hardtail's wheels are being rebuilt, so I am currently without a bike. So this weekend I borrowed my dad's turbo-levo. Went for a ride with my wife yesterday, she is unfit at the moment (slower than me on a normal bike), and is new to cycling so I rode with her the whole time. Needless to say, I thought the e-bike was a complete waste as I put in literally ZERO effort to get to the top of Helderberg (at my wife's pace).

 

This morning I decided to go see what the bike is really capable of as my only reference was yesterday and a few minutes here and there on the bike a couple of times before. I headed out to Helderberg and put the bike on Eco mode (with 40%) assistance. I got used to the way the bike felt very quickly as my normal bike is a Stumpy and the levo is pretty much a Stumpy with a motor. 

 

This thing is SERIOUSLY fun, and FAST! I got up the mountain in about 30mins compared to my normal 55mins or so (faster than anyone else on Strava - don't worry I did mark this as an e-bike ride so the times won't go onto leader boards). The thing I like though was not so much how fast I could get up the mountain, it was how much fun I could have doing it - where I am normally panting and gasping for air I was cruising up, launching over roots, wheelying, and just fooling around. 

 

And yes, you can fool yourself by cruising up the mountain slowly - but you can also push hard and get the same workout in as you would on your normal bike - you'll just cover twice the distance.

 

On the way down I was a bit frustrated because the clutch on the derailleur is worn out and I kept dropping the chain, but from the few times I could open up and let go of the brakes I realised that the extra weight gives you a serious amount of stability. Jumps are a bit harder, but still possible - it might just take some getting used to. I found the Guide R brakes to be lacking in power - I would spec some 4 pot callipers on a bike like this. The tyres (Maxxis Ikon+ and Rekon+ were not aggressive enough and I would replace with Spaz Butcher 2.8" immediately if this was my bike). Other than that the spec is bang on - the Yari fork is great, and the fox float is good. GX 11 speed is also good, but I'd prefer the 7 speed e-bike drivetrain - 11 gears on a bike like this is just not necessary at all.

 

So bottom line - what's my opinion on e-bikes (based on the Spaz Turbo Levo Comp alu version)? I LOVE THEM. I am not going to be replacing my bike with it - ever. BUT, if I had the spare cash lying around I would want one for the following reasons:

 

- I can do 2 runs of Helderberg in an hour - top to bottom, where I can usually only do one. Ideal when you only have short periods of time. And yes, when gassing it up it is just as much a workout as a normal bike - my heart rate was very high.

- It makes the climbs enjoyable (in a different way than being in the pain cave)

- You can load the bike up with every aggressive and heavy part your heart desires because weight doesn't matter.

- IF I were ever to get an e-bike it would be one with a ton of travel - a coil shock and fork, seriously aggressive tyres, and some monster brakes. 

 

Why would I not get one?

 

- They can get you into trouble - you do single track at twice the speed you usually do and can run out of skill before you blink. I don't think these bikes belong in the hands of beginners. 

- Unless all your friends also have e-bikes you are going to be riding on your own.

- It's not as flickable and fun when the trail points down.

- They are expensive to maintain - chains need to be replaced often, and batteries go for 14k a pop - you will cry when it comes time to replace yours.

- Limited time spent on the bike because of battery life (although this isn't too much of a drawback as I would want the bike for when I only have an hour or two to ride) 

- People judge you - seriously - people look at me like I just ran over their dog when I ride past them.

 

Anyway, that's my 2c worth. I can't wait to get my bikes back so I can ride again, but in the mean time I will be enjoying my dad's Levo!

 

EDIT: My 2c on e-bikes in races...

 

Should NOT be allowed ever! Even in their own categories. I did a race a while back where this one lady was on an e-bike, she overtook me on every hill, then we would get to single track downhill and she went snails pace - caused massive bottle neck and would not let anyone pass. Once I eventually got past it was fine... but then on the next hill she comes cruising past and we sit with the same situation on the next bit of single track all over again. 

 

If people wanna race e-bikes, they should have their own events, on at the very least, their own routes that are not shared with people on normal bikes.

 

Good post and spot on.

ChrisF

May 7, 2018, 10:33 AM

Well written G.M.

 

 

Yesterday afternoon Maritz and I did a ride at Meerendal.  From the Pumptrack we take that steep hill heading towards Dorstberg - though we turn right were it cuts the track from Stairway-to-heaven.

 

I stopped to check my backtire .... sludge worked and I could continue.  But now another father and son had passed us .... teenage son with tons of energy !!!  He would literally do a loop while his dad did the shortcut and they would meet up later ....

 

The son motored up that steep section and waited at the turn to Burry Stander.

 

The dad was labouring away .... and Maritz (6 years and 11 months) passed him ..... okay, Maritz ran out of steam and walked the last section .... still got to the top before the other gent.

 

 

Think I saw what is coming my way as I head closer to 60 as Maritz reaches his prime .....  As nice as it was to see Maritz power the first section of that hill .... I know what is coming my way ....

 

For the next year or two I should be able to hang on ....

 

 

better start saving for that ebike .....

Rigardt@Scott

May 7, 2018, 10:43 AM

Well written G.M.

 

 

Yesterday afternoon Maritz and I did a ride at Meerendal.  From the Pumptrack we take that steep hill heading towards Dorstberg - though we turn right were it cuts the track from Stairway-to-heaven.

 

I stopped to check my backtire .... sludge worked and I could continue.  But now another father and son had passed us .... teenage son with tons of energy !!!  He would literally do a loop while his dad did the shortcut and they would meet up later ....

 

The son motored up that steep section and waited at the turn to Burry Stander.

 

The dad was labouring away .... and Maritz (6 years and 11 months) passed him ..... okay, Maritz ran out of steam and walked the last section .... still got to the top before the other gent.

 

 

Think I saw what is coming my way as I head closer to 60 as Maritz reaches his prime .....  As nice as it was to see Maritz power the first section of that hill .... I know what is coming my way ....

 

For the next year or two I should be able to hang on ....

 

 

better start saving for that ebike .....

 

 

That is of course one of the pros I forgot to mention - being able to ride with people much fitter than you (Something you may experience with your son in a few years by the sounds of it). The reason my dad got the e-bike is to spend more time with my mom. She can ride an Epic in her sleep while my dad is very overweight.... They can now ride together. Of course the real fix os for my dad to lose weight and get fit - but that's not gonna happen, so at least he is out riding and doing something! 

T-Bob

May 7, 2018, 6:26 PM

Quick ride review...

 

My Stumpy's frame is cracked, and my hardtail's wheels are being rebuilt, so I am currently without a bike. So this weekend I borrowed my dad's turbo-levo. Went for a ride with my wife yesterday, she is unfit at the moment (slower than me on a normal bike), and is new to cycling so I rode with her the whole time. Needless to say, I thought the e-bike was a complete waste as I put in literally ZERO effort to get to the top of Helderberg (at my wife's pace).

 

This morning I decided to go see what the bike is really capable of as my only reference was yesterday and a few minutes here and there on the bike a couple of times before. I headed out to Helderberg and put the bike on Eco mode (with 40%) assistance. I got used to the way the bike felt very quickly as my normal bike is a Stumpy and the levo is pretty much a Stumpy with a motor.

 

This thing is SERIOUSLY fun, and FAST! I got up the mountain in about 30mins compared to my normal 55mins or so (faster than anyone else on Strava - don't worry I did mark this as an e-bike ride so the times won't go onto leader boards). The thing I like though was not so much how fast I could get up the mountain, it was how much fun I could have doing it - where I am normally panting and gasping for air I was cruising up, launching over roots, wheelying, and just fooling around.

 

And yes, you can fool yourself by cruising up the mountain slowly - but you can also push hard and get the same workout in as you would on your normal bike - you'll just cover twice the distance.

 

On the way down I was a bit frustrated because the clutch on the derailleur is worn out and I kept dropping the chain, but from the few times I could open up and let go of the brakes I realised that the extra weight gives you a serious amount of stability. Jumps are a bit harder, but still possible - it might just take some getting used to. I found the Guide R brakes to be lacking in power - I would spec some 4 pot callipers on a bike like this. The tyres (Maxxis Ikon+ and Rekon+ were not aggressive enough and I would replace with Spaz Butcher 2.8" immediately if this was my bike). Other than that the spec is bang on - the Yari fork is great, and the fox float is good. GX 11 speed is also good, but I'd prefer the 7 speed e-bike drivetrain - 11 gears on a bike like this is just not necessary at all.

 

So bottom line - what's my opinion on e-bikes (based on the Spaz Turbo Levo Comp alu version)? I LOVE THEM. I am not going to be replacing my bike with it - ever. BUT, if I had the spare cash lying around I would want one for the following reasons:

 

- I can do 2 runs of Helderberg in an hour - top to bottom, where I can usually only do one. Ideal when you only have short periods of time. And yes, when gassing it up it is just as much a workout as a normal bike - my heart rate was very high.

- It makes the climbs enjoyable (in a different way than being in the pain cave)

- You can load the bike up with every aggressive and heavy part your heart desires because weight doesn't matter.

- IF I were ever to get an e-bike it would be one with a ton of travel - a coil shock and fork, seriously aggressive tyres, and some monster brakes.

 

Why would I not get one?

 

- They can get you into trouble - you do single track at twice the speed you usually do and can run out of skill before you blink. I don't think these bikes belong in the hands of beginners.

- Unless all your friends also have e-bikes you are going to be riding on your own.

- It's not as flickable and fun when the trail points down.

- They are expensive to maintain - chains need to be replaced often, and batteries go for 14k a pop - you will cry when it comes time to replace yours.

- Limited time spent on the bike because of battery life (although this isn't too much of a drawback as I would want the bike for when I only have an hour or two to ride)

- People judge you - seriously - people look at me like I just ran over their dog when I ride past them.

 

Anyway, that's my 2c worth. I can't wait to get my bikes back so I can ride again, but in the mean time I will be enjoying my dad's Levo!

 

EDIT: My 2c on e-bikes in races...

 

Should NOT be allowed ever! Even in their own categories. I did a race a while back where this one lady was on an e-bike, she overtook me on every hill, then we would get to single track downhill and she went snails pace - caused massive bottle neck and would not let anyone pass. Once I eventually got past it was fine... but then on the next hill she comes cruising past and we sit with the same situation on the next bit of single track all over again.

 

If people wanna race e-bikes, they should have their own events, on at the very least, their own routes that are not shared with people on normal bikes.

What are you doing?!?!? Don't you know this is no place for a considered and rational post of the original thread. You crossed the line by actually riding one and having the temerity share that experience. Just like 29 vs 26 vs 650b or clips vs flats or road vs dirt the rules at you pick a random, unfounded, opinion and just be a tool about it!

Rigardt@Scott

May 7, 2018, 6:36 PM

What are you doing?!?!? Don't you know this is no place for a considered and rational post of the original thread. You crossed the line by actually riding one and having the temerity share that experience. Just like 29 vs 26 vs 650b or clips vs flats or road vs dirt the rules at you pick a random, unfounded, opinion and just be a tool about it!

Hahaha okay, I'll revert back to my original opinion then - ebikes are for fat/old/lazy people and should not be called bicycles in any sense of the word. No self-respecting person should be seen riding one.

GP-EB

May 8, 2018, 10:28 AM

Quick ride review...

 

My Stumpy's frame is cracked, and my hardtail's wheels are being rebuilt, so I am currently without a bike. So this weekend I borrowed my dad's turbo-levo. Went for a ride with my wife yesterday, she is unfit at the moment (slower than me on a normal bike), and is new to cycling so I rode with her the whole time. Needless to say, I thought the e-bike was a complete waste as I put in literally ZERO effort to get to the top of Helderberg (at my wife's pace).

 

This morning I decided to go see what the bike is really capable of as my only reference was yesterday and a few minutes here and there on the bike a couple of times before. I headed out to Helderberg and put the bike on Eco mode (with 40%) assistance. I got used to the way the bike felt very quickly as my normal bike is a Stumpy and the levo is pretty much a Stumpy with a motor. 

 

This thing is SERIOUSLY fun, and FAST! I got up the mountain in about 30mins compared to my normal 55mins or so (faster than anyone else on Strava - don't worry I did mark this as an e-bike ride so the times won't go onto leader boards). The thing I like though was not so much how fast I could get up the mountain, it was how much fun I could have doing it - where I am normally panting and gasping for air I was cruising up, launching over roots, wheelying, and just fooling around. 

 

And yes, you can fool yourself by cruising up the mountain slowly - but you can also push hard and get the same workout in as you would on your normal bike - you'll just cover twice the distance.

 

On the way down I was a bit frustrated because the clutch on the derailleur is worn out and I kept dropping the chain, but from the few times I could open up and let go of the brakes I realised that the extra weight gives you a serious amount of stability. Jumps are a bit harder, but still possible - it might just take some getting used to. I found the Guide R brakes to be lacking in power - I would spec some 4 pot callipers on a bike like this. The tyres (Maxxis Ikon+ and Rekon+ were not aggressive enough and I would replace with Spaz Butcher 2.8" immediately if this was my bike). Other than that the spec is bang on - the Yari fork is great, and the fox float is good. GX 11 speed is also good, but I'd prefer the 7 speed e-bike drivetrain - 11 gears on a bike like this is just not necessary at all.

 

So bottom line - what's my opinion on e-bikes (based on the Spaz Turbo Levo Comp alu version)? I LOVE THEM. I am not going to be replacing my bike with it - ever. BUT, if I had the spare cash lying around I would want one for the following reasons:

 

- I can do 2 runs of Helderberg in an hour - top to bottom, where I can usually only do one. Ideal when you only have short periods of time. And yes, when gassing it up it is just as much a workout as a normal bike - my heart rate was very high.

- It makes the climbs enjoyable (in a different way than being in the pain cave)

- You can load the bike up with every aggressive and heavy part your heart desires because weight doesn't matter.

- IF I were ever to get an e-bike it would be one with a ton of travel - a coil shock and fork, seriously aggressive tyres, and some monster brakes. 

 

Why would I not get one?

 

- They can get you into trouble - you do single track at twice the speed you usually do and can run out of skill before you blink. I don't think these bikes belong in the hands of beginners. 

- Unless all your friends also have e-bikes you are going to be riding on your own.

- It's not as flickable and fun when the trail points down.

- They are expensive to maintain - chains need to be replaced often, and batteries go for 14k a pop - you will cry when it comes time to replace yours.

- Limited time spent on the bike because of battery life (although this isn't too much of a drawback as I would want the bike for when I only have an hour or two to ride) 

- People judge you - seriously - people look at me like I just ran over their dog when I ride past them.

 

Anyway, that's my 2c worth. I can't wait to get my bikes back so I can ride again, but in the mean time I will be enjoying my dad's Levo!

 

EDIT: My 2c on e-bikes in races...

 

Should NOT be allowed ever! Even in their own categories. I did a race a while back where this one lady was on an e-bike, she overtook me on every hill, then we would get to single track downhill and she went snails pace - caused massive bottle neck and would not let anyone pass. Once I eventually got past it was fine... but then on the next hill she comes cruising past and we sit with the same situation on the next bit of single track all over again. 

 

If people wanna race e-bikes, they should have their own events, on at the very least, their own routes that are not shared with people on normal bikes.

There is one thing seemingly over looked, we are getting up to 1000 riders in our local MTB events, most probably 90% of these riders are there for the social aspect of mountain biking, its also this 90% that make theses events financially viable for the organizers. It's within this sector, where the need for e-bikes are the greatest allowing family and friends to enjoy the event together. So why are a few racing snakes and CSA dictating the mood and rules of the events when they should be out front out of site of any e-bikes anyway. Or maybe I'm wrong and the mood are being driven by some wannabe's that will never be upfront but have ego's like they are.    

Rigardt@Scott

May 8, 2018, 11:31 AM

There is one thing seemingly over looked, we are getting up to 1000 riders in our local MTB events, most probably 90% of these riders are there for the social aspect of mountain biking, its also this 90% that make theses events financially viable for the organizers. It's within this sector, where the need for e-bikes are the greatest allowing family and friends to enjoy the event together. So why are a few racing snakes and CSA dictating the mood and rules of the events when they should be out front out of site of any e-bikes anyway. Or maybe I'm wrong and the mood are being driven by some wannabe's that will never be upfront but have ego's like they are.    

 

 

I'm not a racing snake by any means - so take this from where it comes - someone that just wants to enjoy races.

 

I am strong technically, I love single track, and I enjoy that aspect of a race. I am not racing for a podium, nor will I ever be. BUT, it is not enjoyable to ride behind someone at snails pace on single track - it's frustrating and kills the experience for me. And no, I don't have an issue waiting for people slightly slower than me.

 

My issue is this - yesterday I managed to get up Helderberg faster than pros who have posted time there - I am 100kg and not particularly fit. e-bikes don't allow the unfit to ride with their families - it puts the unfit and inexperienced in a position to be as fast as professionals and ride in the section of a race where they do not belong - that is dangerous in the worst case, and irritating at the very least because they cause congestion as soon as skill is required, and race past where fitness is required.

 

Saying that people should just enjoy the race and not care about their time is immature - races are there to race - as fast as YOU can. If that means ending up 400th, or 1st - it does not matter. Seeding is there for a reason - you ride with others in the same general level as you allowing the traffic to flow on trails and for everyone to enjoy the ride. E-bikes mess that up completely (see my previous post for the situations I am speaking about) - and for that reason I believe they should not be allowed in races. If you are truly there just to enjoy the scenery and a fun day out with family - please go for it, but why are you doing a race then? You can do that anywhere at any time without holding others up.

 

Oh and races are completely viable without the need for e-bikes, there are 88 stage races every year on our calendar that proves my point. If the demand really is so high from e-bike users for races then surely those races could be organised and there would be support? Or at the very least separate routes at events?

Patchelicious

May 8, 2018, 11:38 AM

I'm not a racing snake by any means - so take this from where it comes - someone that just wants to enjoy races.

 

I am strong technically, I love single track, and I enjoy that aspect of a race. I am not racing for a podium, nor will I ever be. BUT, it is not enjoyable to ride behind someone at snails pace on single track - it's frustrating and kills the experience for me. And no, I don't have an issue waiting for people slightly slower than me.

 

My issue is this - yesterday I managed to get up Helderberg faster than pros who have posted time there - I am 100kg and not particularly fit. e-bikes don't allow the unfit to ride with their families - it puts the unfit and inexperienced in a position to be as fast as professionals and ride in the section of a race where they do not belong - that is dangerous in the worst case, and irritating at the very least because they cause congestion as soon as skill is required, and race past where fitness is required.

 

Saying that people should just enjoy the race and not care about their time is immature - races are there to race - as fast as YOU can. If that means ending up 400th, or 1st - it does not matter. Seeding is there for a reason - you ride with others in the same general level as you allowing the traffic to flow on trails and for everyone to enjoy the ride. E-bikes mess that up completely (see my previous post for the situations I am speaking about) - and for that reason I believe they should not be allowed in races. If you are truly there just to enjoy the scenery and a fun day out with family - please go for it, but why are you doing a race then? You can do that anywhere at any time without holding others up.

 

Oh and races are completely viable without the need for e-bikes, there are 88 stage races every year on our calendar that proves my point. If the demand really is so high from e-bike users for races then surely those races could be organised and there would be support? Or at the very least separate routes at events?

Great point of view.

Eldron

May 8, 2018, 12:02 PM

I thought we had already solved this. Emotorbikes are cool on trails but uncool in races ????????

Rigardt@Scott

May 8, 2018, 12:10 PM

I thought we had already solved this. Emotorbikes are cool on trails but uncool in races

 

But I feel like arguing with someone  :ph34r:

Patchelicious

May 8, 2018, 12:12 PM

But I feel like arguing with someone  :ph34r:

 

GLuvsMtb

May 8, 2018, 12:13 PM

I'm not a racing snake by any means - so take this from where it comes - someone that just wants to enjoy races.

 

I am strong technically, I love single track, and I enjoy that aspect of a race. I am not racing for a podium, nor will I ever be. BUT, it is not enjoyable to ride behind someone at snails pace on single track - it's frustrating and kills the experience for me. And no, I don't have an issue waiting for people slightly slower than me.

 

My issue is this - yesterday I managed to get up Helderberg faster than pros who have posted time there - I am 100kg and not particularly fit. e-bikes don't allow the unfit to ride with their families - it puts the unfit and inexperienced in a position to be as fast as professionals and ride in the section of a race where they do not belong - that is dangerous in the worst case, and irritating at the very least because they cause congestion as soon as skill is required, and race past where fitness is required.

 

Saying that people should just enjoy the race and not care about their time is immature - races are there to race - as fast as YOU can. If that means ending up 400th, or 1st - it does not matter. Seeding is there for a reason - you ride with others in the same general level as you allowing the traffic to flow on trails and for everyone to enjoy the ride. E-bikes mess that up completely (see my previous post for the situations I am speaking about) - and for that reason I believe they should not be allowed in races. If you are truly there just to enjoy the scenery and a fun day out with family - please go for it, but why are you doing a race then? You can do that anywhere at any time without holding others up.

 

Oh and races are completely viable without the need for e-bikes, there are 88 stage races every year on our calendar that proves my point. If the demand really is so high from e-bike users for races then surely those races could be organised and there would be support? Or at the very least separate routes at events?

Saved me a post here. To add: let the e bikers organize e bike races and then allow regular bikes as well rather than the other way around.

 

 

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Eldron

May 8, 2018, 12:20 PM

Saved me a post here. To add: let the e bikers organize e bike races and then allow regular bikes as well rather than the other way around.

 

 

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Yup. There is a growing "ride not race" trend so more and more rides will be ebike friendly. I still don't understand the logic of wanting to enter a race then motordoping the race. It's kinda banned in racing...

GP-EB

May 9, 2018, 7:56 AM

I'm not a racing snake by any means - so take this from where it comes - someone that just wants to enjoy races.

 

I am strong technically, I love single track, and I enjoy that aspect of a race. I am not racing for a podium, nor will I ever be. BUT, it is not enjoyable to ride behind someone at snails pace on single track - it's frustrating and kills the experience for me. And no, I don't have an issue waiting for people slightly slower than me.

 

My issue is this - yesterday I managed to get up Helderberg faster than pros who have posted time there - I am 100kg and not particularly fit. e-bikes don't allow the unfit to ride with their families - it puts the unfit and inexperienced in a position to be as fast as professionals and ride in the section of a race where they do not belong - that is dangerous in the worst case, and irritating at the very least because they cause congestion as soon as skill is required, and race past where fitness is required.

 

Saying that people should just enjoy the race and not care about their time is immature - races are there to race - as fast as YOU can. If that means ending up 400th, or 1st - it does not matter. Seeding is there for a reason - you ride with others in the same general level as you allowing the traffic to flow on trails and for everyone to enjoy the ride. E-bikes mess that up completely (see my previous post for the situations I am speaking about) - and for that reason I believe they should not be allowed in races. If you are truly there just to enjoy the scenery and a fun day out with family - please go for it, but why are you doing a race then? You can do that anywhere at any time without holding others up.

 

Oh and races are completely viable without the need for e-bikes, there are 88 stage races every year on our calendar that proves my point. If the demand really is so high from e-bike users for races then surely those races could be organised and there would be support? Or at the very least separate routes at events?

You seem to have a very narrow perspective and experience of e-bikes and MTB racing in general. I have started many mtb races in the middle of the shoot with all kind of level of riders around me just to get to the first single track section with tons of very slow riders in front of me "messing things up" so how you can single out e-bikes as the only culprits, that's just ridicules special with so few e-bikes around. Your scenario can still play it self out in years to come I'm sure, but not right now. When that happens it will become viable to have separate e-bike events. You should be more concerned about roadies with big legs and no technical skills at this time. A qualified opinion is always the best one.

Eldron

May 9, 2018, 8:05 AM

You seem to have a very narrow perspective and experience of e-bikes and MTB racing in general. I have started many mtb races in the middle of the shoot with all kind of level of riders around me just to get to the first single track section with tons of very slow riders in front of me "messing things up" so how you can single out e-bikes as the only culprits, that's just ridicules special with so few e-bikes around. Your scenario can still play it self out in years to come I'm sure, but not right now. When that happens it will become viable to have separate e-bike events. You should be more concerned about roadies with big legs and no technical skills at this time. A qualified opinion is always the best one.

 

You missed the point... Ebikes allow people with less fitness than you to get to the single track before you. At least people using their own legs deserve to be there.

 

Whilst seeding isn't a perfect measure of skill there is at least a correlation between fitness, experience and tech skills.

 

#justsaynotomotordoping.

Patchelicious

May 9, 2018, 8:07 AM

You seem to have a very narrow perspective and experience of e-bikes and MTB racing in general. I have started many mtb races in the middle of the shoot with all kind of level of riders around me just to get to the first single track section with tons of very slow riders in front of me "messing things up" so how you can single out e-bikes as the only culprits, that's just ridicules special with so few e-bikes around. Your scenario can still play it self out in years to come I'm sure, but not right now. When that happens it will become viable to have separate e-bike events. You should be more concerned about roadies with big legs and no technical skills at this time. A qualified opinion is always the best one.

An unbiased opinion is even better.
GP-EB

May 9, 2018, 8:09 AM

Yup. There is a growing "ride not race" trend so more and more rides will be ebike friendly. I still don't understand the logic of wanting to enter a race then motordoping the race. It's kinda banned in racing...

Not if all the motor dopers are in there own class. I also don't understand female mtb racing when they have men cycling with them, pushing and pacing them or the fact that I have never seen a single drug test done at a local mtb race. What about that there are most of the time no marshals checking for people taking short cuts, we have all had that moment of how did this person get back in front of me. I'm cant even stop thinking about two people peddling one bicycle whilst I must pedal by myself. Now what about that rich guy with his 8kg full suspension bike that I have to compete against with my 14kg Gaint, how is that allowed. This is exactely why riding rather than racing is better because then none of this including motor dopers worry you.  :drool:

Npatricio

Jun 9, 2018, 7:35 PM

I am convinced that ebikes are here to stay... so instead of fighting it, better to find solutions that fit all, for example if ebikes start an event 30m after the last bike group the likelihood of bottlenecks are much lower... definitely I don't think they shouldn't start together ever, but I do think is great for MTB that more people join, ebike will help on that!

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