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Do eBikes belong on the mountain?

Written by Lance Branquinho.

By Bike Hub Features · 2683 comments

It’s been a year. Since their arrival. These most unprincipled battery bikes, with on-board power aiding their propulsion.

Much like creeping taxation, quinoa everything in restaurants and mobile data pricing, the ebike draws our collective ire. Judgement is absolute and crushing. ‘It’s not a bike. It’s a motorbike… If you can’t ride, go spin on a Wattbike at Virgin Active. Get fitter… They’ll ruin trail access for all of us’.

A year on, from the first proper e-mountain bikes (e-MTBs) becoming available in South Africa, has sufficient time passed for reflection, and perhaps, appraisal? Well, before Pravin’s next budget, where ebikes could quite possibly become another tax revenue item, instead of an incentive – as they are in Europe, my feelings toward them have altered.

I should be the prototypical ebike hater. My mountain bike is a South African brand single-speed 26. Crisis. Could I be more fundamental in my traditionalism? Yet I’m conflicted about these battery mountain bikes.

They’re not motorbikes

Obvious for some. Less so for others. If you use the most sophisticated e-MTB available in South Africa, which is Specialized’s Levo, it’s categorically obvious that they’re not motorbikes. Mopeds would be a more plausible correlation, but without a throttle, and cranks which turn, the motorbike/motorped association is plainly false. And facetious.

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The Specialized Turbo Levo. Photo credit: Ewald Sadie.

These are mountain bikes with pedal assist battery motors. They’re not off-road motorbikes with single-crown forks. Components are sourced from the bicycle industry, instead of motorcycle supply chain.

The hate, though, is real. Online polls register disapproval numbers in excess of 80%, damning the e-MTB’s existence. But we all know the internet, with its self-appointed crusaders, is rarely within a margin of reflecting reality. In Europe, where cycling sources its history and hosts its most credible events (road/XCO/DH), e-MTB sales are near surpassing those of non-assisted – dare I say ‘conventional’ – mountain bikes. I’d always table sales statistics as the truest representation of acceptance and trend. With e-MTBs, there’s no invalidating the numbers: in parts of Europe, e-MTB sales are 50% up year-on-year.

Are they moral?

The primary salvo of criticism against e-MTBs has been ethical: if you work less, how dare you have access to my realm of adventure. Earn your turns.

In racing, certainly, there’s no argument that as e-MTBs become more sophisticated, there’s a risk of BB-battery motor solutions becoming sufficiently compact, to be near undetectable. Especially at races where organisers don’t have the sophisticated X-ray equipment.

E-MTBs don’t belong anywhere near a mountain bike race. Not even in a separate category. And if you analyse Specialized’s Levo, that’s hardly its purpose. This is a trail-bike: dropper seatpost, Pike fork. It’s not meant for stage racing. At all. It’s meant to enable those who have perhaps past their peak or are burdened by schedule or health issues, to recapture the thrill of trail exploration and riding.

It’s why I struggle with the enclave argument of having to earn your turns. There are riders in their 60s who are in great shape, examples of life-long discipline and training commitment. Age is a real keeper of ability, though, and why shouldn’t they have the privilege of participation on those fantastic five-hour Sunday trail rides? They’re the founders, with great stories, still chasing the thrill. Why deny them? Perhaps more meaningfully: why deny the unqualified excitement of a 60-year old refamiliarizing themselves with off-road cycling after four decades away from bikes?

Kids. Partners. It’s a similar logic. If your partner or offspring wish to join on a weekend ride, yet are petrified of the discrepancy in endurance between yourselves, why isn’t the e-MTB a great solution? It enables a thoroughly testing training ride for you, without risking the frustration of waiting at the top of each gradient for ten minutes.

They’re interested in this world unfamiliar to them, yet so beguiling to you, with its tremendous gatekeeping function of fitness. Is allowing family or a non-biking friend this glimpse of access, to aid understanding of your training commitment, really an unethical sacrifice before the mountain bike Gods? I struggle to think it could be the case.

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Do they destroy trails?

Beyond the issues of ethical pedal assistance, trail destruction is the e-MTB-hater’s most vocal objection. The belief being that e-MTBs will enable riders so many runs, on a heavy bike, they’ll accelerate trail wear beyond all reasonable expectations.

It’s an absolutely rubbish claim, revealing an issue around trail wear and maintenance that’s conveniently ignored in South Africa: mass and bike set-up. Heavier riders, will harm a trail more. Heavier riders on relatively narrow, stage-race width tyres (at high pressures), will do this even more so.

Granted, The Levo is far heavier (22-and-a-bit-kg) than an aggregate South African rider’s bike, but the diversity in rider physiology rebalances this. How many rides have you been on where there are both 70- and 90kg riders? Exactly. The combined mass is what matters and most Levos, with rider, would equal the weight on many larger, fit, South African riders on their carbon marathon bikes. On a Levo, that mass contacts the trail through a much wider 27.5 plus tyre, which means less damage and potential brake lock-up.

Seeing the wood for the trees: e-benefits

As a purist, the concept of pedal assistance grates me. But I don’t live in an isolated Karoo valley all on my own. The momentum of trail access is empowered by participant numbers and people of influence – and they’re mostly mature stakeholders, unlikely to threaten Nino in a VO2 max test. If there are bikes that make these influential stakeholders ride more frequently and further, they’ll chair the negotiations for greater, lasting, trail access.

The burden of time, distance, and family are real. If your sanity and balance of zen depends on that specific singletrack descent, which is just too far from home within the time constraints of your scheduling, an e-MTB is not a tool for the lazy. It’s salvation for the committed.

Of all the unconsidered benefits of e-MTBs, safety is the outlier. Imagine a member of your riding group has an off in technical terrain, and you’re at the bottom of a valley, with the nearest mobile phone signal at the drop-in point you’ve just descended from. You have a problem. The ability of an e-MTB to get back up faster than anything else, and make that emergency call for help, might gain those crucial few minutes between a manageable evacuation and the delirium of an emergency evacuation.

Family. Kids. Dogs. Businesses which operate on weekends. I have none of these things in my life, but some of my friends do, and I’d like for them to have fewer excuses not to ride. It’s the reason I can’t bring myself to hate ebikes. Except when a 60-year old on a Levo is chatting away, whilst I’m close to exhaustion near the crest of a climb. Guess I need to train harder. eBikes make me a better rider. And I don’t even have one.

Comments

Patchelicious

Sep 29, 2017, 12:13 PM

This is worth a watch.

 

Trail Bike does a lap in 6m30

XC Bike 6m00

eBike 4m30

 

L46

Sep 29, 2017, 12:32 PM

I care very much.. as I race to get a better time and to improve my seeding.... if my seeding is now affected because of ebikes... then too right I care!!

 

Perhaps it is 59th this race and that gives me something to work on... which may be 49th in the next race.... there again it could be 69th in the next race because of all the ebikes!!

 

And none of it has to do will telling my grand children how I did on my death bed.... but for my own personal goals and ambitions.

 

Maybe you have no interest in racing or bettering yourself where many of us do!!

 

So I repeat, there is no place for ebikes to be in cycle races!

 

You want go enjoy the trails at weekends, visit places you would never get to under your own pedaling then that is fine... but compete in races and say you came 58th... no, never !!

 

Am sure it time there will be plenty of ebike races only and that is where they belong, but not mixing it up with regular cycle races.

 

No need to get upset about it, I just stated my reasoned opinion and I welcome other's opinions as well, that's what forums are for.

 

A few fun facts, your seeding gets calculated from the difference between your time and the winner's time (which is not on an e-bike), not whether you were 40th 50th or 60th, so unless the e-bikes holds you up or something it does not affect your seeding.  You can still work on your seeding and improving yourself.

 

The truth of the matter is your position will depend on who else pitches up for the race, so unless your really racing for the win I'd rather suggest your start racing for time, or against that oke that you generally see in races.  But as the majority of us agree on is that there is no place for e-bikes in this racing part of the field.  You need to read the posts again.  

 

As for your own ambitions I fully understand

Dicky DQ

Sep 29, 2017, 1:09 PM

No need to get upset about it, I just stated my reasoned opinion and I welcome other's opinions as well, that's what forums are for.

 

A few fun facts, your seeding gets calculated from the difference between your time and the winner's time (which is not on an e-bike), not whether you were 40th 50th or 60th, so unless the e-bikes holds you up or something it does not affect your seeding.  You can still work on your seeding and improving yourself.

 

The truth of the matter is your position will depend on who else pitches up for the race, so unless your really racing for the win I'd rather suggest your start racing for time, or against that oke that you generally see in races.  But as the majority of us agree on is that there is no place for e-bikes in this racing part of the field.  You need to read the posts again.  

 

As for your own ambitions I fully understand

Correct, but there are only so many spots in each group so if there are 200 ebikes in front of you they will all have better seeding than you and you will be bumped to the next lower group.

HOEKVLAG

Sep 29, 2017, 1:58 PM

No need to get upset about it, I just stated my reasoned opinion and I welcome other's opinions as well, that's what forums are for.

 

A few fun facts, your seeding gets calculated from the difference between your time and the winner's time (which is not on an e-bike), not whether you were 40th 50th or 60th, so unless the e-bikes holds you up or something it does not affect your seeding.  You can still work on your seeding and improving yourself.

 

The truth of the matter is your position will depend on who else pitches up for the race, so unless your really racing for the win I'd rather suggest your start racing for time, or against that oke that you generally see in races.  But as the majority of us agree on is that there is no place for e-bikes in this racing part of the field.  You need to read the posts again.  

 

As for your own ambitions I fully understand

I don't do a lot of races and it took me a couple of years to get get my seeding to the point where I could start in A batch in Sani (Adventure) this year. I have literally started in most groups from A to M over the last couple of years and there is a major difference in skill level between the first and the last groups - both in riding ability and being alert to the riders around you. This is something that has to be learned over time and yes, for some it's quicker than for others. Personally I don't feel improving your seeding using an e-bike would be fair and it will lead to more risk to the non e-bike riders. If you want to race, don't ride an e-bike. If you want to ride one in races, start at the back and stay there as you chose to treat it as a leisurely ride and not a race.

ChrisF

Sep 29, 2017, 3:54 PM

As much as I get a pain in my buttox when passed by an e-bike aunty even when out on a training ride, I totally agree with rudi-h's post. 

 

It happened the other day when I was doing a good interval session but couldn't catch up with the lady on a bicycle (e-bike) a few hundred meters in front.  When she eventually slowed and I pulled alongside her she smiled and said "I'm sorry I'm cheating".  I just joked along.

 

Why am I bringing this up, because I'd much prefer her (and many others) to be out on an e-bike, enjoying nature and herself, than sitting in front of the telly watching series or whatever.  It did not negatively impact my ride in any way, so why bother with the "cheating" argument.

 

Now to bring this back into "racing".  There is only a few of us really racing for top 10, podiums, prize money, sponsors etc. and I agree fully that there is no place for e-bikes in this part of the field (except for Stefan Sahm to bring us and the sponsors some much wanted race footage), as quite frankly it can become a dangerous situation when non-skilled riders mix it up here.  But I don't have a problem with e-bikers starting in the non-racing groups or at the back and "ride" along and enjoy the event in a safe environment.

 

We sometimes need to take a step back and see the bigger picture.  If family members with different abilities can use e-bikes to ride together, or people with disabilities can enjoy a bit of freedom, it adds value.

 

Yes I know most of us are competitive by nature, but to be honest, not many people will really care if one day, when retired or on your death bed, you tell them you placed 60th, 70th, 5283th in the Sani2C race or Cape Epic and you could've been 59th if it wasn't for the oke on the e-bike.

 

I also see the problems with assuming everyone will use it in good faith and I can see why we want them banned as well.  The problem is therefore not the e-bike, but the dof oke wanting to use it as part of mechanical doping to race with.

 

The solution might be to allow them to ride, but don't give them a time, as I don't see any point in someone racing with it.  In future some races might allow them and others not, it's really up to them which market they want to target.

 

My personal feeling;

 

E-bike racing:  Absolutely not

 

E-bike riding and adding value to life: With the correct rules and regulations and limitations, perhaps it may be possible, alternatively e-bike specific events.

 

The day my wife agrees I will immediately buy her an ebike !!

 

The fun we could have cycling together - me, her, and the 6 year old ....

 

 

and after enough trails we will get to a point where the three of us could enter an "event" .... probably in the 10 to 20km distance, starting at the back - staying clear and safe of the kids in this group.

 

Podium is not even a consideration !

 

mixing it with the racers neither !

 

 

BUT, being able to include my wife in the experiences the laaitie and I have - PRICELESS !!  (well seems it might be 35k for a new Giant ebike)

 

 

 

Now why this would worry a podium contender is beyond me ....

SwissVan

Sep 29, 2017, 7:27 PM

Had a quick gook and found a MTB marathon event here in switz that allows E bikes.

 

E bikes are allowed in the half marathon distance and the Easy marathon (Easy is shorter than half marathon and also teams and tandems allowed, all untimed)

 

https://www.o-tour.ch/rennen/strecken/

 

 

Here's screen shot of the results

 

E- Bikes (mixed male / female)

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Licensed Men

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Licensed Ladies

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2018 Race pamphlet with categories

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Start Times...25 minutes later than the last pedal powered mtb start 

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Skubarra

Sep 30, 2017, 6:54 AM

 

Now why this would worry a podium contender is beyond me ....

Can't really speak on behalf of podium contenders but it doesn't. But do you really think chilling right at the back with your child is the only way ebikes will be used?

Blokman

Sep 30, 2017, 7:43 AM

Am I the only guy that gets more cynical as I grow older ? Horror of horrors I see clumps of families in multivitamin advert style, cruising up the trail with mom and dad in front and little sister trying to pass.

We need an e bike so the whole family can ride together ? What's wrong with the fastest member just riding at the pace of the slowest on a normal bike, or just an easier route powered by yourself.

Don't want them in races either. But , alas it will happen.

So my only remedy will be to look at you with disdain and contempt as you cruise past me.

CAAD4

Sep 30, 2017, 11:52 AM

I care very much.. as I race to get a better time and to improve my seeding.... if my seeding is now affected because of ebikes... then too right I care!!

 

Perhaps it is 59th this race and that gives me something to work on... which may be 49th in the next race.... there again it could be 69th in the next race because of all the ebikes!!

 

And none of it has to do will telling my grand children how I did on my death bed.... but for my own personal goals and ambitions.

 

Maybe you have no interest in racing or bettering yourself where many of us do!!

 

So I repeat, there is no place for ebikes to be in cycle races!

 

You want go enjoy the trails at weekends, visit places you would never get to under your own pedaling then that is fine... but compete in races and say you came 58th... no, never !!

 

Am sure it time there will be plenty of ebike races only and that is where they belong, but not mixing it up with regular cycle races.

Relax Boet. I think the consensus seems to be no in races. There's always Strava for hardcore guys like you, who want to be 58th instead of 59th. Some of us don't even collect medals at the finish anymore. Can you believe that?

Shebeen

Sep 30, 2017, 2:36 PM

[sarcasm] definitely can't have ebikes in a race, as they are faster than normal bikes and could affect the outcome of the race. If you allow this, then the next thing is that they would let men and women race on the same course and that is clearly not a good idea [/sarcasm]

shaper

Sep 30, 2017, 3:21 PM

Relax Boet. I think the consensus seems to be no in races. There's always Strava for hardcore guys like you, who want to be 58th instead of 59th. Some of us don't even collect medals at the finish anymore. Can you believe that?

Very chilled dude, but as usual you miss the point... being that ebikes can influence not only the race they are participating in but the whole seeding system!

 

As for the personal insult thrown.... says a lot more about you... but anyway, we digress from the topic of discussion!

Thor Buttox

Sep 30, 2017, 3:35 PM

Very chilled dude, but as usual you miss the point... being that ebikes can influence not only the race they are participating in but the whole seeding system!

 

As for the personal insult thrown.... says a lot more about you... but anyway, we digress from the topic of discussion!

Exactly, why do we need insults?

 

Those who want to chill: ride the event at your leisure but stay out of the way of those who would like to race. You are most welcome on any ride, and if anyone says otherwise they are a fool. On one, selfish level.

 

If you really want to race an eBike, or be a Strava king, against normal bikes you are also a fool. Truly. On many levels.

 

But they can, and will, coexist. Like Fat bikes. Hopefully. (Yes, I am biased towards self-propulsion.)

ChrisF

Oct 2, 2017, 9:46 AM

Am I the only guy that gets more cynical as I grow older ? Horror of horrors I see clumps of families in multivitamin advert style, cruising up the trail with mom and dad in front and little sister trying to pass.

We need an e bike so the whole family can ride together ? What's wrong with the fastest member just riding at the pace of the slowest on a normal bike, or just an easier route powered by yourself.

Don't want them in races either. But , alas it will happen.

So my only remedy will be to look at you with disdain and contempt as you cruise past me.

 

Longing back to last week where my days started with a ride on gravel roads ....

 

So excuse my nostalgic view this morning ....

 

 

It may just possibly be better to get some people away from their social media devises .... even if that means getting them onto e-bikes .....

 

 

 

 

OR ... take then to the Northern Cape where there is NO signal, and they actually have to put their heads outside the house at some point .....

 

 

 

then again, some WANT to cycle ..... an e-bike probably wont get a lazy sod of his couch .....

 

 

 

 

right now I WANT to be on my bike on those Northern Cape routes ..... !!

defender

Oct 2, 2017, 10:12 AM

Personally, I don't have an issues with these bikes being on our trails. As someone said earlier, if it gets people of their fat asses and out on a bike, it is good. Hopefully they will progress to normally aspirated bikes. Also it would be great for people with genuine disabilities that normally wouldn't be able to get a bike up the mountain, to now be able to experience what we take for granted.

 

I do believe that the needs to be a very strict eBike etiquette / protocol like:

  • Races being eBike free or having a separate start category and results
  • Don't be an ass shouting track when coming up behind an normal aspirated rider on an uphill. Be patient and wait for space or them to give way
  • Don't save your Strava rides as normal ride, save them as eBike rides
  • No eBike should be given a KOM. They belong to normaly aspirated bikes
  • If a known eBiker steals  a legit  KOM, name and shame
Johan A Marais

Oct 2, 2017, 10:39 AM

Different sport, different technology and actually, some, but not the same skill required. Somewhere between Motocross and Mountain Biking.

 

Next thing will be e-RoadBikes blitzing the CTCC creating chaos...

 

Ban them from the trails, ban them from the races and make sure they do not

get on the road, and stay of the bike path. Put on a proper helmet and face the traffic like all the scooters do...

 

Go and ride your electronic bike where you are not bothering cyclists.

MTBeer

Oct 2, 2017, 10:52 AM

Different sport, different technology and actually, some, but not the same skill required. Somewhere between Motocross and Mountain Biking.

 

Next thing will be e-RoadBikes blitzing the CTCC creating chaos...

 

Ban them from the trails, ban them from the races and make sure they do not

get on the road, and stay of the bike path. Put on a proper helmet and face the traffic like all the scooters do...

 

Go and ride your electronic bike where you are not bothering cyclists.

actually the bike path is a perfect place for e-bikes. If the were reasonably priced (which they will become) they are the perfect commuter bike. You can arrive at work not sweating like a fat man's crotch at midday, and even the south easter won't discourage you (much).

ChrisF

Oct 2, 2017, 11:40 AM

actually the bike path is a perfect place for e-bikes. If the were reasonably priced (which they will become) they are the perfect commuter bike. You can arrive at work not sweating like a fat man's crotch at midday, and even the south easter won't discourage you (much).

 

Yamaha YW125 scooter (the replacement to the popular BWS) now goes for R 42 000 !!

 

A Giant ebike now costs R 35 000 .....

 

 

The pendulum HAS swung !!!!  In time parents may wake up and realize an ebike is cheaper and safer for their kids ..... and heaven forbid the i-generation may actually get some exercise outside of a gym.

BigDL

Oct 2, 2017, 12:01 PM

actually the bike path is a perfect place for e-bikes. If the were reasonably priced (which they will become) they are the perfect commuter bike. You can arrive at work not sweating like a fat man's crotch at midday, and even the south easter won't discourage you (much).

You would think so, but with a lot of ebikes now coming standard with speeds of 50 - 80 km/h, perhaps the cycle lanes, especially the ones that I use, which have a huge number of pedestrian crossover points.

https://www.electricbike.com/10-fastest-ebikes/

ChrisF

Oct 2, 2017, 12:27 PM

You would think so, but with a lot of ebikes now coming standard with speeds of 50 - 80 km/h, perhaps the cycle lanes, especially the ones that I use, which have a huge number of pedestrian crossover points.

https://www.electricbike.com/10-fastest-ebikes/

 

... uhm .... BIG difference between an "e-bike" (pedal-assist) and an "electric motorcycle" ....

 

though the latter may well spoil it for the former !!!!

 

 

 

going to be interesting seeing how the traffic departments try to keep up with all this new technology ...

 

 

 

 

 while on the topic of "electric motorcycles" - have a look at the electric bikes in the Isle of Man TT !!!!!!!  Electric bikes kick butt !!  But then they can go play on the Moto-X tracks ....

Patchelicious

Oct 2, 2017, 3:41 PM

Read the caption ????????????

 

https://instagram.com/p/BZtaV74Bvps/

dirtchick

Oct 2, 2017, 6:23 PM

Currently in Germany. Cannot believe just how many e bikes I have seen. All used for COMMUTING. have not seen a single one on the trails.

Blokman

Oct 2, 2017, 6:59 PM

Longing back to last week where my days started with a ride on gravel roads ....

 

So excuse my nostalgic view this morning ....

 

 

It may just possibly be better to get some people away from their social media devises .... even if that means getting them onto e-bikes .....

 

 

 

 

OR ... take then to the Northern Cape where there is NO signal, and they actually have to put their heads outside the house at some point .....

 

 

 

then again, some WANT to cycle ..... an e-bike probably wont get a lazy sod of his couch .....

 

 

 

 

right now I WANT to be on my bike on those Northern Cape routes ..... !!

I've had to change my mind on a few of life's more serious issues in the last couple years . So I may get round to this one at some stage. For the moment I'm sticking to my guns.

 

Saw those pics of yours in the other thread. Looked like a very nice adventure.

Rob29

Oct 2, 2017, 9:08 PM

Pedal assist bikes are awesome. If they make mountain biking more enjoyable and accessable for more people then who are we to complain. Obviously there is trail etiquette that applies to everybody. But it's great that they are here and they are here to stay.

rudi-h

Oct 2, 2017, 9:26 PM

Different sport, different technology and actually, some, but not the same skill required. Somewhere between Motocross and Mountain Biking.

 

Next thing will be e-RoadBikes blitzing the CTCC creating chaos...

 

Ban them from the trails, ban them from the races and make sure they do not

get on the road, and stay of the bike path. Put on a proper helmet and face the traffic like all the scooters do...

 

Go and ride your electronic bike where you are not bothering cyclists.

 

ban this, ban that... stay off this, get of that...

 

pedal assisted bikes are arguably the most efficient and sustainable form of transport invented to date and it turns out that it can be just as good (arguably even better) than a conventional bicycle for recreational purposes too.

 

so why ban something that doesn't make noise, doesn't damage trails, enables friends, families (and even physically challenged/disabled/injured people) to ride together, is safer than conventional scooters/motorbikes, is environmentally superior to pretty much anything else and fun to ride? 

 

cars and motorbikes have had the same problems since inception with some being faster than others and we seemed to solve that problem just fine with some basic rules, traffic signs and mutual respect...

 

So... basically what Defender said + maybe something like having "passing zones" in races where non-technical sections can be marked specifically to facilitate the possible increase in passing rates on races.

Thor Buttox

Oct 3, 2017, 12:11 AM

ban this, ban that... stay off this, get of that...

 

pedal assisted bikes are arguably the most efficient and sustainable form of transport invented to date and it turns out that it can be just as good (arguably even better) than a conventional bicycle for recreational purposes too.

 

so why ban something that doesn't make noise, doesn't damage trails, enables friends, families (and even physically challenged/disabled/injured people) to ride together, is safer than conventional scooters/motorbikes, is environmentally superior to pretty much anything else and fun to ride?

 

cars and motorbikes have had the same problems since inception with some being faster than others and we seemed to solve that problem just fine with some basic rules, traffic signs and mutual respect...

 

So... basically what Defender said + maybe something like having "passing zones" in races where non-technical sections can be marked specifically to facilitate the possible increase in passing rates on races.

I think you are still missing the point of this entire thread that 'race' and 'ebike' in the same context is invalid. They are two entirely different sports. Sure, maybe on the same day on similar trails but the people who ride ebikes for the 'right' reasons (eg disabilities, or just riding with the family) are not going to be the ones technically proficient enough to handle a beast on single track or steep downhills and will not need to pass. And the ones that are technically proficient are the ones who will get involved in the actual racing and be the knobs we all don't want to have a thread about.

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