Cape Town Cycle Tour agrees to Women’s only Invitational start group starting in Glencairn

Thanks for explaining, now I also understand what the fuss is all about.

And they knew half the ladies would be wiped out before the finish line!

Hence some ladies are upset to race 'alone' as they now won't get back...

Does not say, just says she does not like it and that she has done 17.

Oh ????

Well, time for change

Except the closet misogynists on the hub...

 

Actually scrap closet.

I think the press releases have been really poor at explaining the reason. 

Ladies need to race ladies without male groups getting in the way. 

I think this year we will have the best ladies race in 40 years. A break away could even stay away! 

Women's racing at its purest is when they're alone in a bunch together

Great plan

Let's see how it goes ????????

my 2 cents:

 

- Notice wayyyy to short

- Womens only group - great idea

- Shorter distance - not a good idea if this is a RACE

 

-I would suggest make this whole thing a "fun ride" for everyone...no one will prove anything from winning the cycle tour..its no where near a REAL challenge for the racing teams nor is it "important" in the eyes of the UCI...its just a fun ride.

 

I would SEED the ladies better and have them race between 2 groups that will cause the lease amount of havoc.

 

I always believed in cape town should have the real racers race their own race I called this the Super Argus (think my post was taken off) where by the top seeded say 5 000 riders race a longer distance... then the rest would race say a 90km (celebrating the old race) this way they can have unlimited entries into the shorter race and making more money (that's what the aim is right) ?

you obviously didn't read what I was saying carefully...

 

The guys talked about developing ladies cycling to be competitive overseas...hence I suggested they either race or this should be a fun ride...

 

On your crits of 90 min...I hope that gets you to Europe soonest !

 

Again this was my 2 cents...

Between two groups? This has never been tried? Last year the ladies hit the sprint with a bunch of tandems amongst them. Try that for a fun ride.

It's really hard to read stuff when it is so poorly thought out and then actually posted as a serious post.

Lucky you only have 2 cents as I'd hate to read your opinion on this if you had a whole rondt to spare. We'd probably have to call the honey sucker.

Now I wonder why the mods had the temerity to remove one of your posts? Maybe the honey sucker was busy.

Anyone know why the notice was so last-minute?

I think the press releases have been really poor at explaining the reason. 

 

Ladies need to race ladies without male groups getting in the way. 

 

I think this year we will have the best ladies race in 40 years. A break away could even stay away! 

Women's racing at its purest is when they're alone in a bunch together

Great plan

Let's see how it goes

Hell, I might even take the not so smart phone along and stream the last 30 minutes or so. All depends if we can hit a data enabled zone around 8am. Imagine cruising Misty Cliffs watching the Elite Ladies attacking on Chappies and Suikerbossie. 

I'm really trying to find the positive of being the stoker on a racing tandem.

Anyone know why the notice was so last-minute?

The same reason the PPA and CSA would reach agreement on sanctioning in the last week leading up to the event.

Bunk up. Brothel? Or is it Piss up. Brewery?

Why exactly are they doing this?

This may have to do with the sprint crashes/bunch crashes and last years sprint getting mixed up with the tandems

Hell, I might even take the not so smart phone along and stream the last 30 minutes or so. All depends if we can hit a data enabled zone around 8am. Imagine cruising Misty Cliffs watching the Elite Ladies attacking on Chappies and Suikerbossie.

 

I'm really trying to find the positive of being the stoker on a racing tandem.

I've never been on a tandem

Maybe super glue a tablet on his boom-boom ????????‍♂️

The same reason the PPA and CSA would reach agreement on sanctioning in the last week leading up to the event.

 

Bunk up. Brothel? Or is it Piss up. Brewery?

Ai the bitter couple

If they can only work it out in the interest of the kid (cycling)

This may have to do with the sprint crashes/bunch crashes and last years sprint getting mixed up with the tandems

They have been struggling for years to get the combination right - from starting with Vets or Sub Vets or Masters, or on their own between mens' groups and alphabet soup.

Every year had a new problem or controversy ranging from crashes at the finish to allegations of men pacing women from their club or team.

Every year there were complaints from the racing women and moans from the armchair experts - there was no winning formula.

I think this is the best idea yet. I hope it works as well as they hope.

Lets see how it unfolds on the day.

After considering the arguments (mostly from carbon29er and Pure Savage) I now admit that this is a reasonable option. Several loose ends remain. The current SA Champ is u/23 so it will be imperative that the u/23 women are never made to start seperate. Also the timing of the announcement is awkward - some ladies I know well chose not to go due to the previous setup (one is a serious podium contender). All considered I hope it makes for faster/ aggresive racing and not a situation where everyone is just waiting for someone to do the hard graft.

After considering the arguments (mostly from carbon29er and Pure Savage) I now admit that this is a reasonable option. Several loose ends remain. The current SA Champ is u/23 so it will be imperative that the u/23 women are never made to start seperate. Also the timing of the announcement is awkward - some ladies I know well chose not to go due to the previous setup (one is a serious podium contender). All considered I hope it makes for faster/ aggresive racing and not a situation where everyone is just waiting for someone to do the hard graft.

It could be interresting if there is a break up Smits Winkel.

????

 

seriously

What was the circumstance of the late notification

Any know?

What was the circumstance of the late notification

Any know?

Cost most likely... they played with the idea and then got told it's going to cost a bit extra so it was canned... after some convincing either they coughed up or cost was negotiated.

Anyway sucks for ladies who are climbers and decided not to go down as racing with men always ends up in crashes and a sprint...

I like the idea but not the late notice...

Cost most likely... they played with the idea and then got told it's going to cost a bit extra so it was canned... after some convincing either they coughed up or cost was negotiated.

 

Anyway sucks for ladies who are climbers and decided not to go down as racing with men always ends up in crashes and a sprint...

 

I like the idea but not the late notice...

Okay

Yeah the late notification is crappy

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After considering the arguments (mostly from carbon29er and Pure Savage) I now admit that this is a reasonable option. Several loose ends remain. The current SA Champ is u/23 so it will be imperative that the u/23 women are never made to start seperate. Also the timing of the announcement is awkward - some ladies I know well chose not to go due to the previous setup (one is a serious podium contender). All considered I hope it makes for faster/ aggresive racing and not a situation where everyone is just waiting for someone to do the hard graft.

But u/23 and Elites all start together and winner overall will be first lady across the line. Or am I misreading it?

Am sure there will be quite a few post race reports by the ladies and teams... will be interesting to hear... and perhaps we may get the facts with regard to the late notice and change

Am sure there will be quite a few post race reports by the ladies and teams... will be interesting to hear... and perhaps we may get the facts with regard to the late notice and change

Yes as mine is pure speculation

Looking forward to this, as the Argus/CTCT has been the most forgettable event on the Elite ladies' racing calendar for years.

Every hard-working break attempted was closed down by chasing women sitting in a Vets or Masters bunch. The sprint finish has been a joke as you could hardly spot the women mixed in the age-group men's categories or tandems. It was plain disrespectful of the needs and wants of women racers.

This may not be the perfect solution, but it is a damn fine start to showcasing the real talent and exposing aggressive positive racing. Let's listen to feedback, tweak accordingly and announce it earlier next year.

Kudos, CTCT, CSA and PPA. Now give it the media attention it deserves too.

Am sure there will be quite a few post race reports by the ladies and teams... will be interesting to hear... and perhaps we may get the facts with regard to the late notice and change

It's so people have less time to debate and moan about it.

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It's a good start.. the late notice is unfortunate and distance should ideally be longer

BUT

It is a start after many many years of the elite ladies asking for it

I hope they aren't just doing it to save face and then claim after oh there weren't enough ladies, format doesn't work.

So the ladies race is truly.....Ladies World Fun ride Champs