Adverse analytical finding in recent mountain bike stage race

Do you honestly think that test is going to clean the sport up? Are you going to think twice about taking med lemon or whatever you take when you sick just in case they test you at a race? I will say it again, this test has proved nothing

Should I ever enter the Epic, and I am taking a little something for my sinus, then you bet your gluteus I will be confessing taking the stuff for my sinus to everybody on the start line. I would make sure every doctor, nurse and oke called Kevin knows that I am really gummed up and taking the sinus medication.

And do I enter the argus without reading the fine print, hell yes. I would be in BIG trouble if they stopped me for test, especially considering the alcohol limit in my blood. Am I taking a chance, yes. Would I take the life time banning.... ask me in the morning

Edit:

do you think that the test on AC with that clen steak made the sport clean ?

steroids != cough syrup

no it does not - but it may still have resulted in an positive result and hence a ban and fine...The whole point is testing backmarkers is laughable. I dont give two flying f##ks if that oke next to me on the trail has balls the size of peanuts and arms and legs the size of a grazing python...as long as the okes that do anything professionally (or "professionally" at amateur level) dont

Well here is where the moral dilemma then kicks in.

@2 year ban and a fine.

let's ask if that is really the extent they need to go to.

Even hardened criminals will receive reduced sentences.

The fine is laughable, the UCI have more than enough of a budget for testing.

Having just read that it is not actually a fine, but payment for the test, then yea, the "fine" is laughable.

As someone else mentioned, here is the test, you are clean, now here is your bill.

My understanding is that it does ... you have to have a CSA licence (even if it is only a temporary day licence) to enter a CSA sanctioned event so he does have a licence -- I may be wrong on that but that is my understanding. Getting the licence implies following the rules.

Thanks, Tim, but that goes back to my earlier question about jurisdiction. As a CSA licence-holder, shouldn't this have been referred to them rather than handled by the CSA?

bla bla bla bla bla.......

This issue here is, he said he would take whatever sanctions come his way. Now that they are here, the tune changes. That is the issue.

His tune never changed, the R25k is bullkak

I first saw this thread this morning, having not seen it before. This has been the most entertaining read I have had in a long time! It really has!

Mtbaaisklist (Barry) thank you for your honesty. It was very refreshing to read, and gives a lot of insight into how these drugs work and how long they stay in your system. That in my eyes should be a deterent to any cyclist or athlete competing with hopes of furthering their career in a sport.

However, you took the substances by your own admission, and the rules are the rules. My suggestion is this, surely you will be called to a disciplinary hearing before CSA? WADA/SAIDS? Surely there you can address the fact that you have admitted guilt, and that you will accept the fine, but seeing as it is not your profession and that you never had any claim to prize money, this fine should be wavered. I can understand the fine for a pro or an amateur, but in this case I personally feel a ban should suffice. I think the fine is (albeit the rule) uncalled for. Just my 2c

You were a naughty boy Barry! Now tell me, I am now in my mid sixties and struggle with Arthritis in my hands, will Decadurabolin help with this? (Please see the humour in this, as I would hate for you to be the estate agent we will be using for my sons home in Brackenhurst!)

My understanding is that it does ... you have to have a CSA licence (even if it is only a temporary day licence) to enter a CSA sanctioned event so he does have a licence -- I may be wrong on that but that is my understanding. Getting the licence implies following the rules.

The CSA service that checks for license only does a check to see if you have a membership or not - If you dont then you can buy a day license..and anyone can buy that..i.e. it does not see that you are banned and not allow you to buy a day license.

For UCI specific events (like the master world cup etc) then it checks to see if you have a racing license

unlucky with the fine mate, as for the argument about not being able to pay it..... don't know about that cycling is expensive, we all spend much more than we would like to admit, the travelling, spares, stage racing at 2k a day, bikes......etc.

the problem with the 25k in this case is ur not gonna see anything in return for it. start a collection on the hub, seems like ppl are divided on this 50% will help u while the other 50% will tell us why it wrong and post the rules for us again.

If u don't pay it whats the worst they can do? ban u for life.... not such a bad thing if u think about it.

His tune never changed, the R25k is bullkak

Two separate issues.

@ MTBaaisikilist

During the course of reading this thread, you said you would happily face the consequences of your actions. Well those consequences are here, and I am of the opinion that you should still face them, whatever they are.

That being said, I learnt a few things through the various posts this morning. The fine seems not to be a fine at all, but a fee of sorts. That I cannot get my head round. As others have suggested, you should be a little more obtuse in getting an explanation as to why "the fine" exists and what they can do with it. Preferably not pineapples, since they do not go well on pizza (nor steak). Maybe mango's.

Am I correct in saying there is still another round of hearings? Maybe something will come out of that.

 

The fine seems not to be a fine at all, but a fee of sorts. That I cannot get my head round. As others have suggested, you should be a little more obtuse in getting an explanation as to why "the fine" exists and what they can do with it. Preferably not pineapples, since they do not go well on pizza (nor steak). Maybe mango's.

 

 

Try nuts...(as in "are you nuts")...

its in the rules which are referred to in the contract you sign with them (License and race entry)... they can and will attempt to recover costs from persons who test positive.

Been reading this thread since it started off and on, and to me it boils down to a very simple question:

"At what point between Barry the Back-marker, and Christoph or Cool-Harvey the Champion do you stop caring who to test?"

It's about perspective, cos I'm fairly sure the 4th placed guy who misses out on prize money would care if the third placed guy cheated. I'm fairly sure a very dedicated amateur who puts in hundreds of hours of training would care if some guys ahead cheated and he couldn't compare himself accurately with his performance. And unless you can define a point that it doesn't matter anymore, the fine/testing fee should be seen as a deterrent.

(the othe issue here is that 2,500SwF is nothing in Swiss-land. We're only arguing on value as Saffers)

 

"At what point between Barry the Back-marker, and Christoph or Cool-Harvey the Champion do you stop caring who to test?"

 

i dunno but i reckon somewhere well before "coming in with an hour to spare" on the prologue - cos that when he was tested...lets apply some logic to the sampling process

1. if the time is still competitive for all classifications then sample, else, pack up and go home

2. If random person is in top 20 result for classification then sample, else, ignore and pick another random sample

something like that. Barry would not have gone past step 1

A R25k fine (recovery of costs) is farking nuts!!! 2 year ban.........take it on the chin and look forward to getting back into racing in 2015!! In fact just to make sure you have enough time to think about the "horror and injustice" you have caused to cycling in South Africa you should be forced to sit on my back wheel for two laps of Thaba Trails every weekend whilst serving your ban. Trust me having to ride that slowly every weekend would be punishment enough!!

Note: Pineapples also makes for horrific toilet paper.

Note: Pineapples also makes for horrific toilet paper.

I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT :ph34r: :ph34r:

I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT :ph34r: :ph34r:

My local veggie shop has them right next to the Preperation H shelf and the Bennetts bum cream.

i dunno but i reckon somewhere well before "coming in with an hour to spare" on the prologue - cos that when he was tested...lets apply some logic to the sampling process

 

1. if the time is still competitive for all classifications then sample, else, pack up and go home

2. If random person is in top 20 result for classification then sample, else, ignore and pick another random sample

 

something like that. Barry would not have gone past step 1

I don't disagree with you entirely, but apply point 2 to the Tour de France, and not the Epic. Should the same rules till apply or do you now need a different set of rules for different classifications at different events - to take it to stupid lengths, should we not bother testing the Lantern Rouge because he's just busy meandering around France taking a drink or two?

That was what I was trying to say about defining one set of rules that everyone can adhere to, and not having even more complicated rules that allow loopholes everywhere.

I reported the post and admin removed it.

Yeah, i know a lot about it, it was a very big interest for many years.

I live in the south, you'd do well to find somebody who's never taken juice here.

Hey, I'm from the South and am as clean as a whistle

Maybe it's cause I'm female, then again, go to Meyersdal gym and those woman are scary!!

Note: Pineapples also makes for horrific toilet paper.

Works well for worms though

@Wonder Woman....from the souf...do you even lift?

I don't disagree with you entirely, but apply point 2 to the Tour de France, and not the Epic. Should the same rules till apply or do you now need a different set of rules for different classifications at different events - to take it to stupid lengths, should we not bother testing the Lantern Rouge because he's just busy meandering around France taking a drink or two?

 

That was what I was trying to say about defining one set of rules that everyone can adhere to, and not having even more complicated rules that allow loopholes everywhere.

Dude, are you seriously comparing Barry here (a weekend warrior by his own admission) to a dude on the TDF, who makes a living out of cycling and IS there for monetary benefit? If Barry were Georgie Porgie, then yeah fine. But he's not. Also the TDF is only open to licensed, qualified cyclists. The Epic is open to all.

I don't disagree with you entirely, but apply point 2 to the Tour de France, and not the Epic. Should the same rules till apply or do you now need a different set of rules for different classifications at different events - to take it to stupid lengths, should we not bother testing the Lantern Rouge because he's just busy meandering around France taking a drink or two?

 

That was what I was trying to say about defining one set of rules that everyone can adhere to, and not having even more complicated rules that allow loopholes everywhere.

This is a very difficult topic but maybe you need to differentiate between the pro's and non-pro's. Everyone in the tour is making a living from cycling, not everyone in the Epic is, they paid a fortune to be there.

I don't disagree with you entirely, but apply point 2 to the Tour de France, and not the Epic. Should the same rules till apply or do you now need a different set of rules for different classifications at different events - to take it to stupid lengths, should we not bother testing the Lantern Rouge because he's just busy meandering around France taking a drink or two?

 

That was what I was trying to say about defining one set of rules that everyone can adhere to, and not having even more complicated rules that allow loopholes everywhere.

le tour is made up entirely of professionals so all of them are fair game.....whereas the epic Average Joe can enter and compete so yes it is significantly different. I think it was quite evident at le tour that doping is a big Achilles heel for the UCI and they are trying to up the game (which is lekker) but like any bureaucracy they are doing it wrong

Works well for worms though

 

@Wonder Woman....from the souf...do you even lift?

Not anymore, don't even have a gym contract. The only lifting I do is a 3 year old girl.

Actually do bootcamp type stuff at home these days and a cycle when I am allowed free of my chain .

Do you honestly think that test is going to clean the sport up? Are you going to think twice about taking med lemon or whatever you take when you sick just in case they test you at a race? I will say it again, this test has proved nothing

After all this I WILL think twice about riding without checking.

Don't think Barry should pay that massive fine or costs or whatever but it sure has opened the eyes of some on the Hub of what can happen.