Adverse analytical finding in recent mountain bike stage race

 

Probably.... and probably unfairly but the problem is where do you draw the line and how do they decide who is bullshitting and who isn't?

 

Maybe there should be different rules for "us funrider" types, but then what about the health concerns related to some of the products?

A little more clarity on this from the UCI / organizers would be nice. The race office can expect a lot of phone calls from over cautious riders worried about what exactly is in their anti biotics a month before the event.

A little more clarity on this from the UCI / organizers would be nice. The race office can expect a lot of phone calls from over cautious riders worried about what exactly is in their anti biotics a month before the event.

Yeah thats a valid point about the calls and i'm not sure most race offices or CSA are going to be able to handle a flood of calls if it happens.

Something to remember specific to this topic and fun riders, the epic is a pro level race which allows funriders to take part, so the full anti doping rules should apply.

Same with other races which have UCI status, but for a mtb event in "putsonderwater" which has no uci status maybe there could be another policy for funriders then.

But maybe thats making an already complicated problem more complicated

As in most sports there are always some fuds who seem to gain a lot of pleasure being the ones in control. There is no respect or recognition for the backmarkers and weekend warriors who ride for the shear pleasure any more. Take, for instance how the backmarkers support teams are treated at the Epic. Stuffed onto camping areas without any decent facilities. There are many other examples and perhaps the days of organising social events without the UCI and CSA need to come back. Let the top licensed riders continue with their sponsored ways but the fortune spent by the lesser 90% of riders could be far better utilised for the riders themselves.

As in most sports there are always some fuds who seem to gain a lot of pleasure being the ones in control. There is no respect or recognition for the backmarkers and weekend warriors who ride for the shear pleasure any more. Take, for instance how the backmarkers support teams are treated at the Epic. Stuffed onto camping areas without any decent facilities. There are many other examples and perhaps the days of organising social events without the UCI and CSA need to come back. Let the top licensed riders continue with their sponsored ways but the fortune spent by the lesser 90% of riders could be far better utilised for the riders themselves.

Tend to agree.

I still ask myself, why, why, why ,why test a back rider that finishes a stage an hour prior to the days' cutt-off......WHAT IS THERE TO GAIN FOR ANYONE??? What a waste of money and time....it's just plain stupidity...focus on elite licensed riders...

Is this still going.

Come on okes, biceps went out of fashion in the late 80's.

These are the days of our doping lives

Heehee

I think testing is also done, for the safety of the individuals.

Steroids can kill you. Just look at Pantani.

i think this thread has gone far too long without a link to Slicktiger's guide to klapping gym, boet.

http://slicktiger.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/the-slicktiger-guide-to-klapping-gym-boet/

http://slicktiger.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/4051.png?w=611&h=860

I think testing is also done, for the safety of the individuals.

 

Steroids can kill you. Just look at Pantani.

I think testing is also done, for the safety of the individuals.

 

Steroids can kill you. Just look at Pantani.

Um didn't he die from a cocaine overdose?

Um didn't he die from a cocaine overdose?

Um, yes, but this is the hub, facts don't really matter.

I think testing is also done, for the safety of the individuals.

 

Steroids can kill you. Just look at Pantani.

Steroids never killed Pantani. Paranoia and white powder did....

i think this thread has gone far too long without a link to Slicktiger's guide to klapping gym, boet.

 

http://slicktiger.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/the-slicktiger-guide-to-klapping-gym-boet/

 

http://slicktiger.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/4051.png?w=611&h=860

Oh please I know him personally he is all natural, I know for a fact he is clean,

Um didn't he die from a cocaine overdose?

ja, depression and too much devil's dandruff. If you want an example of how roids can put you in the ground look no further than the NFL's Lyle Alzado - vrek from a brain tumour in '92

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyle_Alzado#Steroid_use_and_death

 

 

ja, depression and too much devil's dandruff. If you want an example of how roids can put you in the ground look no further than the NFL's Lyle Alzado - vrek from a brain tumour in '92

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyle_Alzado#Steroid_use_and_death

I was thinking the other look at Arnold/Sylvester the both old now Sylvester looks better than arni, I remember reading one of his quotes when he said" ah please we survive on a truck load of roids" THEY STILL GOING MAYBE NOT LOOKING THAT GREAT, but they a strong advertisement for ROIDS doesn't kill

Um, yes, but this is the hub, facts don't really matter.

Not condoning doping in any form, but I wonder about the "randomness" of this test.

UCI or CSA does the testing and they need a few positive results. So they pick out a guy who in a bodybuilder's sense looks the part. Jackpot. You've got your result without making any waves upfront.

Could they show a list with all the other "random" names or numbers? And how are they selected? If a certain name comes up, could an official behind a closed tent flap say:"Oopsie ,not that one!"

There should be two lists. One for riders who have come onto the doping radar for whatever reason. And another completely random list ,drawn by a member of the public in front of cameras.( A higher proportion of numbers in here from the top riders maybe.)

This would eliminate the perception that certain riders don't get tested because of celebrity status , or that they are too valuable to be positive.

I was thinking the other look at Arnold/Sylvester the both old now Sylvester looks better than arni, I remember reading one of his quotes when he said" ah please we survive on a truck load of roids" THEY STILL GOING MAYBE NOT LOOKING THAT GREAT, but they a strong advertisement for ROIDS doesn't kill

No 'roids here, just 1000,000 foetuses worth of growth hormone coursing through his 70-year-old face - sis man!

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2007/03/13/stallone192.jpg

No 'roids here, just 1000,000 foetuses worth of growth hormone coursing through his 70-year-old face - sis man!

 

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2007/03/13/stallone192.jpg

Tend to agree.

 

I still ask myself, why, why, why ,why test a back rider that finishes a stage an hour prior to the days' cutt-off......WHAT IS THERE TO GAIN FOR ANYONE??? What a waste of money and time....it's just plain stupidity...focus on elite licensed riders...

Just as a matter of interest, would you feel the same way if a back marker takes a short cut?

No 'roids here, just 1000,000 foetuses worth of growth hormone coursing through his 70-year-old face - sis man!

 

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2007/03/13/stallone192.jpg

You can find unflateering pics of anyone ... show me a pic of say Bruce Fordyce .. also looks years older than he actually is. Free radials, exposure to sun ect also make 'athletes' appear older than they actually are.

Tend to agree.

 

I still ask myself, why, why, why ,why test a back rider that finishes a stage an hour prior to the days' cutt-off......WHAT IS THERE TO GAIN FOR ANYONE??? What a waste of money and time....it's just plain stupidity...focus on elite licensed riders...

i think its good. testing everyone will help to prevent a "doping culture" amongst social riders.

Hypothetically, if you only test the top 10, then maybe Nr. 50 will use EPO knowing that he won't be caught with the hopes that he can maybe get down to Nr. 11 and by doing that will help him get a sponsorship to a top 10 team? Then you have a situation where the top riders are all a bunch of ex-dopers faking to be clean once they get in the top ranks.

Its the naming and shaming of riders that hopefully will clean up the sport. Look at this recent saga with Danilo Di Luca and his EPO test. He would never have been top 10 in this year's Giro, but they tested him and caught him. Other cyclists and journalists have gone so far to call him a "stupid idiot" and making comments like "he's not only an average rider, but he has no brains". The argument is that he is risking the reputation of his trainers, coaches, team mates and teams. Surely that is a step in the right direction if you compare it to the public opinion 5 years ago after a well known rider had a positive EPO test.

Wow...this thread really has gone down 50 strange roads...

Eldron's views:

Barry's confession - pretty much the least he could do. Confessions shouldn't turn rule breakers into heros - they best they can do is polish out some of the tarnish. I don't buy into the big balls respect feelings...

Should he be banned from the Epic for life? Yes. He knew the rules - he knew he was in danger of breakingthem and should endure the conequences. Should Owen etc be banned too? Absolutely. Everyone knows my feelings on VIP treatment for convicted dopers.

General ban of 12 months in my opinion. Not too serious a sanction for a non pro and will hopefuly make the other non pro dopers do a rethink and the other accidental dopers check their flu medication. Letting him off scott free will have zero impact and lord knows we need some kind of impact on ALL dopers (accidental, semi accidental and knowing).

Should he have been tested in the first place? In a perfect world yes. If we had enough cash to test everyone then we should do that. We don't have the cash so we should target those whos cheating has the biggest impact. Pros. Perhaps my "no harm no foul" comment didn't quite take into account the impact on the people finishing behind dopers (even in the middle to back portion of races).

Me - I'm in no danger of singing long term lucrative contracts on foot or bike but you can be damn sure I check what medicine I take. There is no confusion here - the epic organisers don't have to answer any questions. Go here: http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/ and download THE LIST or click on the "is my medication ok" button or the WADA list or download the TUE form - it's all there. Easy peezy.

CSA moan they dont have enough money to test and then they waste it on a back marker?

Edit

I am sure if they test any number of riders at the Argus they will have a 98% hitrate....I have heard of so many people being sick before the Argus and I am SURE they dont ask the doc what is in the stuff of care since they just want to feel better but technically if they are tested = DONE!

Maybe someon had wispered something in someones ear at the Epic....

I dont know why everyone is carrying on about the testing of backmarkers like it's a waste of time.

That's like saying that it's ok for an F student to have crib notes - he's only going to get 40% anyway, so leave him to cheat his way to a pass.

Rules are rules and should be enforced at all levels.

You can find unflateering pics of anyone ... show me a pic of say Bruce Fordyce .. also looks years older than he actually is. Free radials, exposure to sun ect also make 'athletes' appear older than they actually are.

Saw Bruce Fordyce on Tv in an interview with Ali B

Looked fine to me

I dont know why everyone is carrying on about the testing of backmarkers like it's a waste of time.

That's like saying that it's ok for an F student to have crib notes - he's only going to get 40% anyway, so leave him to cheat his way to a pass.

Except, in your example, the pass has value beyond its emotional impact on the student. By cheating a pass, he could get a place at university or a job he might not otherwise have gotten and in doing so, exclude someone who earned their marks.

I seriously doubt that, outside the race, a back marker gains any advantage by cheating from 400th to 300th, aside from bragging rights. Nor do I think that there's much chance of the person coming 301st instead of 300th losing anything significant.