Adverse analytical finding in recent mountain bike stage race

I'm dismayed at the amount of people who are blaming the UCI and whoever for what happened here.

Yes there was a stuff up in not notifying the athlete first, but other than that ...

WTFlip one week everyone is whining about dopers and then next week its ok because the latest + is not a pro who makes his living from the sport. Hello...that's why the pro's don't admit to it and the fun riders can admit to it.

I'm not picking on you MTBaaisikilist, just wondering on the selective ethics involved here by some.

How about exposing the suppliers of those illegal drugs that you took? Perhaps to the anti-doping people or the Health professions Council (even the cops?).

 

I know it won't cure the world of this particular problem of prescription drugs bypassing the system, but it might be a start in the right direction. It's little use catching the users, if the suppliers are left scot-free.

 

Just asking, not trying to cause you more grief.

I somehow don't think those people would take too kindly to having a whistle blown on them…

How about exposing the suppliers of those illegal drugs that you took? Perhaps to the anti-doping people or the Health professions Council (even the cops?).

 

I know it won't cure the world of this particular problem of prescription drugs bypassing the system, but it might be a start in the right direction. It's little use catching the users, if the suppliers are left scot-free.

 

Just asking, not trying to cause you more grief.

I get a feeling he might want to move on.

Also the drug he used will probably used more amongst the bodybuilding fraternity I would assume.

I somehow don't think those people would take too kindly to having a whistle blown on them…

We have to start getting to them somehow if we want to solve the problem.

I get a feeling he might want to move on.

Also the drug he used will probably used more amongst the bodybuilding fraternity I would assume.

Yea also the way I see it, not a typical endurance steroid...more a "sun's out, guns out" thing.

I'd be very interested to know how many of us here (excluding those racing) have ever been tested at an event they were participating in as a fun ride....

 

Anyone?

 

I'm not holdin my breath but maybe I'll be surprised....

I got tested and a funride, Rooiwal, in Pta once. Must have been a total of 50 riders doing the ride?

Was quite funny......

I somehow don't think those people would take too kindly to having a whistle blown on them…

No doubt...some big bully boys might pop in for a visit...but think back to the recent david George positive, people criticized him for not revealing his sources. Saw a post somewhere where someone quite rightly said something about not nipping the bud but cutting off the branch...makes sense

In hindsight tho, drugs are widely available it would be like the preverbal fart in a thunderstorm

According to your account of events the last time you took steroids (not the particular product you tested positive for though) was in October, that's about 5 months before the test.

 

How long ago did you last take the Stanozolol and based on your experience why did it stay in your system long enough to be picked up by a urine sample from more than 5 months ago?

Stanazolol, is a long word to type, Lets call it Winstrol.

I can't pin point the exact date, but the Winstrol i took was probably in about August.

We can say 'based on my experience', but i've never had any blood work done, so i dont know how long any Winstrol I've ever taken (in the many years and occasions i took it) lasted in my system. Each person's body is different, so the rate of absorbtion and time it stays in ones system can vary.

I hate to bring his name in because I quite like the guy, but Owen Hannie was caught with winstrol, and he took it 5 months before he was tested.

I got tested and a funride, Rooiwal, in Pta once. Must have been a total of 50 riders doing the ride?

Was quite funny......

So Spidy do you perhaps have 'big pecs' or tattoos, come on out with it .......

Interesting.

Anyone know what the bit in bold means?

It is presented most commonly as a 50 mg/mL injection or a 5 mg tablet. However, recently 100 mg/mL versions have become available. A common dosage can be 10–25 mg/day orally and 25–50 mg daily injected, with optimal results usually seen at 50 mg/day. It is reduced to micrometer particles in aqueous suspension and does not have a typical elimination half-life. Authentic stanozolol can easily be seen, because it will separate in its container if left undisturbed for a number of hours (the micronized crystal will fall to the bottom, and the watersuspension will rise to the top).^{[citation needed]} It has a white, milky color.

How about exposing the suppliers of those illegal drugs that you took? Perhaps to the anti-doping people or the Health professions Council (even the cops?).

 

I know it won't cure the world of this particular problem of prescription drugs bypassing the system, but it might be a start in the right direction. It's little use catching the users, if the suppliers are left scot-free.

 

Just asking, not trying to cause you more grief.

I used buy my stuff from a good mate of mine. Not giving him over to anyone. But you can buy Roids online, same as you buy parts from CRC...

So Spidy do you perhaps have 'big pecs' or tattoos, come on out with it .......

Maybe it was that tattoo-ed bike of his?

I'm dismayed at the amount of people who are blaming the UCI and whoever for what happened here.

Yes there was a stuff up in not notifying the athlete first, but other than that ...

 

WTFlip one week everyone is whining about dopers and then next week its ok because the latest + is not a pro who makes his living from the sport. Hello...that's why the pro's don't admit to it and the fun riders can admit to it.

 

I'm not picking on you MTBaaisikilist, just wondering on the selective ethics involved here by some.

I think we feel like we feel because we have a body builder here who decided to ride his bike more often and come clean, which he should receive a medal for.

We pick on the UCI because of the unprofessional way this situation has been handled by them.

I don't care what their findings are, I care how they treated this.

Barry will come a hero out of this, even if they ban him... his story is a good read.

a bit off topic, but I assume they don't test at body building competitions?

No, It's like WWE, you kinda just know everyones juiced up.

So Spidy do you perhaps have 'big pecs' or tattoos, come on out with it .......

I'm ugly. Does that count?

I'm ugly. Does that count?

Then I'd be tested every week

Stanazolol, is a long word to type, Lets call it Winstrol.

I can't pin point the exact date, but the Winstrol i took was probably in about August.

We can say 'based on my experience', but i've never had any blood work done, so i dont know how long any Winstrol I've ever taken (in the many years and occasions i took it) lasted in my system. Each person's body is different, so the rate of absorbtion and time it stays in ones system can vary.

 

I hate to bring his name in because I quite like the guy, but Owen Hannie was caught with winstrol, and he took it 5 months before he was tested.

It would be interesting to hear from some qualified folks opinion on this.

I'd assume that a few months would be long enough for it work out your system, but that's just my assumption.

Calling the Sports Scientist types who I know follow the hub....this is your cue come in now....

No, It's like WWE, you kinda just know everyones juiced up.

Bit of an ignorant question but are drugs banned in body building competitions like with in other sports?

[assumptions] This oke is a standard gym bunny who takes loads of supplements every day. Being tested at the epic would mean he must have known there was a good chance of coming up with a positive. [/assumptions]

I'm not going to take an aggressive stance to the negative comments made by people who've never met me or know who or what I'm about, (one that a 'gym bunny' may typically be expected to take).

I'd apologise for stereotyping, BUT I was pretty clear about it being speculation and,,,well if the glove fits?

I was a bit suprised to find out it was a hubber, and looking at the post count, a regular hubber who I've probably agreed with along the way many times. I do respect the openness that you've responded to this with.

I don't have any sympathy for you, though. You've knowingly cheated in a sport for 13 years, with the justification that everyone else does it. You get caught participating in another sport, where it was pretty much screamed from the every mountaintop that they were going zero tolerance on drug use. That's justification for me that resources spent testing the back of the field are not wasted. If the talk of the ego dopers from the subvets has any substance then they must be thinking twice now.

The fact that CSA released your name is not really the issue. You knew that you'd been tested and now the president of the CSA personally phones you to say the UCI has sent you an email. I'm not sure if i could go to sleep without reading that (I probably would have read it on my blackberry, the files weren't too big to download..they were too big to be covered by bbs so would have had extra charges).

Anyway, I don't beat around the bush. What you did was pretty stupid. You'll be that guy who doped to get 545th place at the epic (when we know it actually wasn't performance enhancing at all). You do seem a very straight shooter too, and haven't shirked it now that your hands were in the cookie jar. You're on a platform that very few would ever want to be on, it's really up to you to find a way to turn it into a positive experience. Don't sell the bike!

Bit of an ignorant question but are drugs banned in body building competitions like with in other sports?

No, that's one of the reasons why the International Federation Of Body Building has failed at all attempts to have bodybuilding classified as an olympic sport.

I do like your signature......funny.

Better than the previous lance armstrong quote he had ...

Barry, in your capacity as a personal trainer, what would you say to a client who wanted to juice up or dope in any way?

for me the biggest confession is that Barry openly admitted that i schooled him!!

and NotSoBigBen, i am with you on the GOOD Stock!! haha

It would be interesting to hear from some qualified folks opinion on this.

I'd assume that a few months would be long enough for it work out your system, but that's just my assumption.

 

Calling the Sports Scientist types who I know follow the hub....this is your cue come in now....

Are you spearheading a hub investigation...?

Tell you what, I'll keep you 100% in the loop with the entire process i'll be going through with the UCI, CSA and SAIDS as it unfolds. They'll be conducting the investigation and deciding on the outcome.

It would be interesting to hear from some qualified folks opinion on this.

I'd assume that a few months would be long enough for it work out your system, but that's just my assumption.

 

Calling the Sports Scientist types who I know follow the hub....this is your cue come in now....

Why would it matter he's not disputing the finding anyway? He's moved on I guess but many won't .....